NoHuddleKelly12

Torture numbers and they’ll admit to anything; especially after 4 starts. What about the eyeball test though?

As well as Don Beebe, Steve Tasker (boy was a baller WR too late in Kelly’s career!!), James Lofton, and a few others https://m.ranker.com/list/best-buffalo-bills-wide-receivers/ranker-nfl

Good call. Definitely honorable mention at a minimum! He was such a disappointment after his Pittsburgh tenure

Yeah, I think Whaley wrote the book on how to dwindle precious draft capital unnecessarily.

He also looked like shades of Steve Young out there juking/running around up to his endzone dive for the TD--he actually had to run almost 30 yards (26 to be exact I believe) on that one. Haven't considered he may be hurt, and I sure hope the Bills don't let him play with something that could turn a lot more serious by being aggravated with more hits, although until a new backup arrives in town, the Bills will move heaven and earth to avoid starting Peterman.

Which of the 3 years in Buffalo would you be referring to, and after many years in the league already? TT had an obvious ceiling in the passing department, but he was given 3 years to make his case as the starter. Can't pigeonhole Allen at this point so early in his starting career.

It is nice that all we have to worry about right now is complaining about the team's play on the field or the swings and misses of the FO, as opposed to the team packing up the moving vans in the middle of the night and careening up the highway to Toronto or some other locale chosen by jon bon jovi!! Forever in your debt for that one Terry & Kim. Here's to greater things yet to come.

I'll admit I was probably too down on him as of last week. Situationally he clearly can still solidly contribute. I'd love to see him break a couple 50+ yarders off now and then, for Allen to followup on on, but time will tell.

Serious question--who hates the ESPN Bills team page situation more: Rodak for being forced to cover the Bills who he clearly can't stand, or we the fanbase who unfortunately stumble across "articles" (lazy cut/paste national narrative hot takes) that his name is attached to?

Call it a feeling, hope that's been starved too long or whatever, but IMO both McD and Allen each exhibit certain authentic leadership qualities that a team can get behind and rally around. For all their warts, and there are many, that's something different at HC and QB than we've seen in a long time, even if the flashy stats still have to catch up along the way. Just for recent comparison's sake, for all his off-season bluster/bravado & sheer entertainment value, did anyone here ever really take sexy rexy all that seriously once the real games started and we weren't tabulating wins and losses of press conferences anymore? Well, that probably goes for the teams that played for him here in Buffalo also. And I have to scroll back to early run Bledsoe or Flutie Flakes before recalling a QB with even close competitive, vocal moxie the likes of which Allen shows. I believe that this thing will gel and give us something positive to talk about for years to come.

Lock him down Tre White!!! No gimmes this week DeAndre

This opening schedule stretch with so many away games (5 of 7) against stiff competition is brutal. but if we get back to a home friendly 2nd half schedule having gone something like 3-4 which now is a real possibility, then you have to think they're playing ahead of expectations. Not saying there may not have been element of truth to this, but probably only a small portion. Titans certainly would have already seen Minnie game film to know to bring their A game, and Minnie had the advantages of playing at home in a dome, and their coach thinks it was all Buffalo's play that led to that outcome.

Exactly. these are not mutually exclusive outcomes. In fact, probably complementary. Every rep I think has the potential for him to learn from, regardless of the game plan going in.

Good point. It may be because they are such afterthoughts during the course of a game, until the FG unit comes out on the field, and then suddenly it's a hyper focused spotlight of intensity with so much riding on just one swing of the leg with few do-overs, whereas the QB gets to toss over and over, so less pressure on each individual throw, to make up for any bad mistakes along the way (unless you're Peterman of course).

Agreed. Love the call itself, didn't love the receiving personnel "available" to catch it.

Mason Crosby has been an institution in GB before yesterday, so that was the most surprising IMO. 80.3 FG % going into this 2018 season.

That's news to the "fire everyone in the FO" crowd at TBD

Thanks for clarifying that--don't gamble so uncharted territory for me

Just wondering what your Allen “hot take” was right after he eviscerated the Vikes’ D and flipped the script on what was supposed to be a 16.5 spread Minnie victory? That virtually no one here saw coming? How many threads did you post in before that came discussing what the body count would be and how pathetic Allen would show out that day? How to account for such a blip in the narrative that he’s a bust? Let me address the argument before it’s made—Minnie decided to lay down, right? Came out flat? Zimmer himself made it crystal clear that they got their ***es kicked by the Bills, plain and simple, and had nothing to do with Minnie’s own prep or lack of it. Mark my words, that won’t be the only time this year. Today was a different game plan from Daboll where Allen wasn’t asked to beat the world himself, but he did make the critical plays when he absolutely had to. He’s got ice water in his veins and plays with passion. Don’t remember EJ ever putting his limbs on the line running track out there like this kid does to fire up his team. Go Bills!!!

And had already been around the block in the NFL many years, and sat/absorbed game behind Flacco, and started multiple seasons for the Bills, that’s why his ceiling was so obvious

Oh I totally agree with you on that. Let the court of public opinion figure it out, this isn’t USSR circa 1951. Dude’s entitled to spout off if he feels he must

Your civility is a breath of fresh air amongst a lot of the “hot takes” around here. Thanks

I don’t disagree with your take on dissent—you have a right to your opinion. But don’t be surprised if it gets deconstructed by a lot of others on TBD because the fact is your sample size is way too small, and there is too much in the way of good signs along the way to support your ultimate conclusion. It’s a mixed bag, and that is exactly what a lot of us felt like would happen, especially when he wasn’t even supposed to start this early this year. I’m not anywhere close to burning his jersey, and I hope for your sake of fan enjoyment that you can enjoy the good along the way as it comes too.

Appears to be more durable that way than TT, and definitely forces D coordinators to account for it, possibly opening up some of the tight coverages downfield, but at the end of the day needs to be a tool in the toolbox, not the main event obviously.

When on earth are the Bills going to get some respect from Vegas? Not that I care really, but it surprises me that their wins haven’t gotten them any after being dogs each time