NoHuddleKelly12

I'll be generous and start the clock from Flutie Flakes on, old and washed up as he was, he still provided a very entertaining and solid stretch while he was here.

Is it too late to trade for Chad Kelly?

I can't jump on that bandwagon, sorry. Besides, with the WR, line and Daboll efforts being what they are this year, let your imagination run wild as to how additionally sub-par Tuel Time and TL could go! Back then there was at least an Oline and 1 or 2 guys capable of running a route with a little bit of heart.

Can't get no respect! Dangerfield was a Bills fan I'd like to think.

And then there's this guy posing as a Bills trainer...who let Belichick's spygate video intern past our crack Bills security team to play doctor and make doubly sure JA probably won't play against the Patsies in a couple weeks? Obviously the last bit is in jest, but still, these guys appear totally unconcerned about the pain level the kid was suffering through?

Without digging into this too deep, Cowboys 89, Rams 1st yr Goff, Browns last 2 yrs (maybe—they are the Browns after all), Indy (suck for Luck year), Jags 2016 (worst to 1st), Bills 84, 85. I’m positive there are more

Hey it’s all about perspective when the rebuild bulldozer is busy crushing playoff dreams Exactly—he was having trouble containing himself with all of the preseason interviews concerning how he couldn’t wait to match up with this kid—oh, and last I checked, Gruden is an offensive guy considered a QB savant and workaholic film cruncher genius (I did enjoy watching his corny QB camp show I admit) and yet the results so far are worse than McBeane’s rebuild. How does that square with the logic usually employed by the Negative Nancy contingents on TBD that McD doesn’t know offense so is doomed to fail with JA?

Agreed, and I can’t imagine DA will take much longer to at least know the basics, especially given he was in a Daboll system in 2009, although of course the verbiage will be completely different

We did have to, Miami is on record as wanting him right behind where we took him at 16

The guy was serviceable at least for a number of years in Pittsburgh, so I wouldn’t hate them taking a flyer and see what he’s got to offer. A career 86.2 passer rating, so there’s that

I don’t either, but I also know bottoming out is sometimes necessary to gain needed draft capital, shed burdensome K’s, etc. Hated the average 6-10, 7-9, 8-8 mediocre staple that was the hallmark of the drought years just as much as this too, because it was too good to draft top 5, and too bad to make the playoffs. I know the name “Sully” evokes strong reactions around here, both pro and con, but I’ll never forget his description of the Jauronimo years as “a heroic march to 7-9” where hitting that sweet spot was tantalizingly always just out of reach. I just really need the process to deliver double digit wins consistently when this rebuild is all over. Is that too much to ask?

This at the end of the day ladies and gents, is why NP is going nowhere. The Bills simply have no additional bodies to start at QB. At a minimum he will be backing up DA.

Just when it seemed like the OP itself was as bad as it gets... Will definitely have to get right on reviewing his tape...but what's in my memory is not promising

"Seemed" being the operative word...

Wow, really? I'd say they came up from the Baltimore basement quite nicely, and I would also note that being on the field for the majority of each game can't be easy either, yet they remain opportunistic and hungry for the ball. The fact is they can't play all 60 minutes by themselves, and time of possession will eventually wear down even the best D's out there. For the most part they played lights out yesterday. You can't blame that side of the ball at this point any longer.

I understand. I try to compartmentalize the regimes so that I don't always have to think about the previous ones failing. And remember that at the end of the day whether they win or lose will not change the course of my life (or yours) or even the weekend for that matter--other than Sunday afternoons.

Maybe some rehab time in the CFL or the newest offseason league that's getting fired up somewhere--with the pressure off, I bet he starts rolling again like camp, and then some QB desperate NFL team will pick him up in a couple years after he has good tape to show off. Who knows, the next time very well may be the charm, just like his college time when he had to leave Tennessee on a rail and wound up beating Clemson while at Pitt?

Hope that Daboll only works the middle of the field with quick slants and bubble screens.

Didn't TB12 hang up on his weekly radio show not once, but twice? I remember once it was about his family and then his health whisperer Alex Guerrero--anyways, fail to see what the big deal is. If the questions asked are lacking in respect, professionalism or football substance, then I have zero issues with this (however, I don't have any idea what was actually asked or how).

I admire the gutsy stand you are taking by writing this OP. Don't agree with your premise, but I will applaud your backbone in drafting this thread, unless of course you are simply trying to out-troll the trolls, lol.

(1) He appears to give a crap, which so many of his predecessors through their body language alone, did not; (2) his ceiling in terms of his raw physical QB tools are off the charts, highest probably ever for a Bill; (3) His leadership quotient, intangibles are clearly present in how he commands the huddle, interacts with his D teammates, revs up the crowd; (3) Ability to bounce back mentally from bad throws, hits (extent of current injury unknown, notwithstanding); (4) Work ethic; (5) Moves athletically very similar to Steve Young; (5) "Minnesota Leap" shows he is willing to lay it out for his team and take advantage of the pieces around him clicking; (6) Despite missing some progressions as part of his rookie development, he has been able to hit his WR's on target plenty of times, but suffers from a targets to drops ratio of over 11% and otherwise all around poor anemic WR play (basement of the league bad). Take away the endemic drops, and he's on track. (7) He offers HOPE given the complete package. Let me flip the table and simply state that we haven't seen enough or surrounded him with sufficient resources to be able to write him off as the 2nd coming of Todd Collins. And all of this without the benefit of a proven QB mentor or capable OC in his corner to help him along, unlike these guys who might sound familiar: http://www.espn.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/32623/sitting-behind-a-legendary-quarterback-means-learning-from-the-best

Has to be Allen. Needs reps, and now that he's started down this road, he needs to be able to see it through

Straight up blasphemy bro. You can't possibly believe that Wilson's (or any of the other dudes routinely tossing 4K plus these days) stats would be magically the same playing against the rules-enabled D's of Kelly's era--or do you think that Ken Norton Jr. wouldn't have been able to take out Wilson's knees like he did Kelly's in SB XXVII? The point being, in the league today it's almost arcade game like and/or comical, the way the league has consciously moved towards sugarcoating the offense, and QB's in particular, since Wilson burst on the scene. Just ask Clay Matthews which era he'd prefer to play in. When even guys like Roethlisberger or Rodgers are saying it's gone too far, I'd say it's gone too far. Wilson is a nice piece to have, would love to see him as our QB right now in fact, but don't ever categorically state that he would then automatically be better than any Bills QB who's ever suited up ("modern" era excepted).

TB12 getting "released" from a sure sack by Speaks, to instead rushing for a TD yesterday is definitely an exhibit to that argument--should never have scored there (and wouldn't have if Bruce Smith was in the process of wrapping him up on that play with the rules of his era)

All valid points. It's a very fine line in the NFL between winning and losing, and I really feel like we are at the cusp of something great if we can get the O talent differential and scheme to catch up with the D or at least, be able to move the chains on a consistent basis. There's an undeniable grit around this team (certain exceptions to this would be the effort of some on the O side), who are not easy outs for anyone at this point. It hurts just how close we came to stealing another tough one on the road away from the favorites.