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It wasn't a remodel though. They slapped a coat of paint on it and put the for sale sign up. But you're suggesting they should have traded away the master bedroom and sold all the shingles too. You still have to field a team out there. Like I said in another post, McBeane did a nice job accumulating draft capital to go out and find their future captains. I think they might have misfired on Allen and Edmunds, and got fleeced in the process. Plan was a good one, execution maybe not. We'll see.

McD traded half the roster, and you think they should have traded the other half too? The reason they didn't trade Wood, Shady, Hughes, Kyle, and Lorenzo is because those guys were the real leaders in the locker room. McD needed them for culture reasons, if not their actual play on the field. You can't rebuild the whole team overnight.

Tried to answer this in a different thread, and I'll try again here. Basically there were three main issues with the Whaley era Bills: 1. we were talent collectors, not team builders; 2. We paid the wrong guys and our cap situation was F'd, so there was always going to be a hard ceiling as a pseudo playoff contender; 3. The real leaders of the team (Kyle, EWood, Lorenzo, Shady) were all getting old and on their way out so we needed to find new ones to rebuild around. When McD took over, his first priority was to get value for guys who were in line to get paid or had already been paid but weren't the team leaders you need from your big money guys. So Darius, Sammy, Woods, etc., all got sent packing. Same with guys like Ragland who didn't fit their system. Letting some of those guys go looks tough in hindsight (i.e. Woods) but this was all done in an effort to create enough draft capital and room to go out and get our new captains to establish the culture McD wants in the locker room. Enter Allen and Edmunds. You can rag on the extent of the exodus, or the laughable reliance on Carolina retreads, or using so much draft capital on two guys, or even the guys themselves, but the rebuild needed to happen. If Allen and Edmunds prove to be the leaders McD thinks they are, then it'll be worth it.

Yeah I was really impressed with McD last year. He won a lot of leeway with me, but he's also definitely given some of it back this year. I'm sorry but if you're one bad half from permanently pulling your QB then you should have had a third guy on the roster. And if your response is "well they tried and McCarron sucked" then you have some major pro personnel department issues. Same argument with Fraser. It's not like McD didn't have a whole year working with the guy last year to figure out if he was the right guy to call plays. Now we're two games in and his knees have been cut out from under him. Again, I'm glad McD isn't afraid to admit his mistakes (at least privately. Ha.) but it's still fair to question the initial decisions. He's left himself open for criticism IMO.

The protection stuff in this game was more on Allen than the o-line. They got beat one on one at times, but a lot of it was Allen failing to recognize overloads pre-snap and adjusting, or not seeing the delayed blitz and getting the ball out to his hot reads. Lots for both of those guys to learn from this game.

Sure give McD credit for knowing when to pull the plug but it's also more than fair to question his decisions to have Peterman and Fraser in those roles in the first place given their performance. McD is above Beane in the pecking order. He's at least approving roster decisions if not making them in the first place. You can't umbrella every mistake this regime makes by just saying they're rebuilding.

He had his play calling duties revoked by the HC. What would you call it? D looked better because McD is a solid DC and our offense finally showed a little life on the TD drive early in the 3rd which gave them hope. Either way, it's not a good look when your coach has to do that. The fact he made that change coupled with the Peterman backfire so early in the season suggests there might be issues with his decision making when it comes to who to trust. Davis quitting is ridiculous and shows they probably didn't do their homework on the guy.

It would be nice to see a few less designed QB runs. I like my rookie QB with his head attached thank you very much! Also, here's hoping Tremaine Edmunds spends a little extra time in the film room this week. That Chargers tape will be all over the NFL. Just run a crossing route and TE has no idea what to do.

Yeah if anything Beane looks worse, but because we hired McD first and he was part of bringing Beane in the buck stops with McD.

Not sure about Harbaugh, but McD isn't looking so good right now. Lots of big picture problems with the team and a bunch of highly questionable decisions from him that have predictably backfired. Hopefully he can regroup.

This team is on the verge of becoming a circus. Peterman benched game one, Leslie Fraizer getting benched in game two, Davis quitting the team in the middle of a game. At some point you have to look at the man in charge. This is quickly turning into a pivotal moment for McD.

So...to clarify, you said a few years and bolded the years part. I take that to mean at least three. One is one. Couple is two. Few is three or more. I think Allen will get this season plus the off season plus training camp. If he hasn't shown significant improvement by that point, I could see us going in a different direction. If he's improving and trending in the right direction he'll get some to all of next year too. I agree his leadership and the fact he was able to bounce back after some particularly ugly low points were the highlights of his day. He needs to show more than that though. A lot more. Hope he will. Cheering for this team would be a lot more fun if Allen turns into a franchise guy.

I was immediately suspicious when Reid (who's an excellent judge of QB talent) took Mahomes, and I didn't like the Allen pick. Nothing I've seen so far would suggest those initial reactions were wrong. That said, this thread this way premature.

Also, people are giving Allen way too much of a pass on the protection issues. His inability to identify where the rush is coming from pre-snap is what leads to all these protection issues in the first place. Did our o line get beat one on one at points throughout the game? Yes. But there were just as many times where we were obviously overloaded to one side and Allen didn't recognize it. He needs to either shift the line or pull the TE or RB to help shore up that side, and when they come with the delayed blitz he needs to see that and go to his hot read. Beuerline was ALL OVER THIS throughout the game. Do people just think he was being biased? Forget the accuracy issues, of which there were plenty. We're dead on half the plays before we even snap the ball.

I'm afraid the days of developing a QB for years before making a determination are over. No one does that anymore which is why it was such a bad decision to throw Josh in there this early. He's going to get this season to show improvement. If he shows enough he'll get next season too, or at least most of it unless he's terrible. The issue is you can't afford to lose the locker room at the expense of developing a QB. They're important, but not THAT important. At some point a young QB needs to show he's worth it, and most guys only get a season or two now to do that.

So in the first two weeks McD's had to bench his hand picked QB and his DC. Hate to say it but he's looking more and more like a DC as appose to a HC. Can't blame all these bad hirings / decisions on the fact we're rebuilding.

Allen pumping his stats with that garbage time TD drive but hopefully he can carry some of that success into next week. We'll be in tough against a really good Vikings team.

One thing I already like about Allen is his ability to bounce back. He makes two brutal throws in the first half on that Murphy crossing route and then over throwing Jones I believe over the top. Then we get the unsportsmanlike and he makes a great throw on the corner comeback route to Clay. Then in the second half he throws that back breaking pick to seal the game, but still comes back for a nice garbage time TD drive. Lots of young QBs (*cough* Peterman) would get down and not be able to bounce back quickly from that stuff.

Nice throw!!

Beuerlein is a really good colour guy. He's all over our protection issues and the reasons why they're happening. Always like the ex QBs who actually give Xs and Os insight. Edit: for those in this thread calling Beuerlein biased against Allen and Bills, he was on record as saying Allen was the top QB prospect coming into the draft. If anything, he has a vested professional interest in defending that take.

Josh Allen might not be good at football. Geez. That throw was brutal.

Can we just cut Pitts before the game is over or do we have to wait?

For sure. Watched it again, and it was actually number 30 this time. Edmunds was busy covering the flat. TE really struggling in coverage though.

Chargers making a living in this game with that shallow crossing route right at Tremaine Edmunds Check that, it was number 30 this time.

Comedy of errors lol