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I suspect that your improved behaviour was a big reason the family stuck around for this one. Being a well behaved Bills fan has been a tall order these last twenty years but it's an important part of the deal for our loved ones.

I don't think that streak is going to last much longer.

There was a lot to like from the offense today. Our D was far less impressive IMO vs. a Giants team that struggles to move the ball. I think it's telling that our three leading tacklers on the day were all DBs. Very interested to focus on Oliver and Edmunds on the re-watch to see what happened. I have a feeling I'm not going to like what I see.

I thought he deserved an A. Some of the stuff he did today was Russell Wilson-esk. That play in the first q where he deeked out the rusher and then made an impossible throw on a dead run to Knox was jaw dropping. He had a few plays like that today. The big thing though was finishing off drives with TDs. Most of the incompletions were throwaways (and the correct decision) so anyone whining about completion percentage is missing the point. He still had some issues with accuracy though that seems to come with the territory with him. The strip sack that should have been is worrisome given his history with ball protection but he caught a break on it today with a dumb call. Overall, Allen's performance was very confidence inspiring.

Nice bounce back game from Josh. Brown and Beasley are living up to their contracts. Yay! And Frank Gore is still good?? Ladies and gentlemen we have an NFL offense There are guys on defense I’m tempted to call out but in the end we only gave up 14 points and a lot of their yardage (besides that first drive) was garbage time. Overall it was a nice win.

This is worth a read if anyone missed it at the time. I'm in the camp of 'all three of the Cheaters' Superbowls from the early 00s should be stripped.' For those wondering, Ernie Adams is still employed by the Patriots as their Director of Football research. What a joke. https://www.espn.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/13533995/split-nfl-new-england-patriots-apart

Makes perfect sense he'd say that. Giants passed on Allen to take Barkley and now Eli looks like he's done. I expect Shurmer has heard a lot of noise about how they screwed up not going with Allen or Darnold.

Here are a few others that might be worth a second look: -the first half side arm throw to Zay out to the right that was no where near on target -the first half deep ball to Zay down the left side line that landed 10 yards over his head -the miss short left to Beasley on the drive with the botched snap -the miss to Knox on the cross in the 3rd where he got spun around 180 degrees because the ball was so far behind him -the negated turnover in the 3rd -the should-have-been-a-turnover drop by the Jets DB down the right sideline in the 3rd -the under throw in the endzone that would have been a pick had Mosley just turned around instead of going for the break up RE the actual INTs: 1. the Beasley tipped ball was low and behind him (i.e. away from his momentum). Rich Gannon put that one on Allen in the moment though I agree Beasley needs to shoulder responsibility there as well. As an aside, it looked a lot like a bunch of the missed connections with Zay from last year where poor ball placement contributed to the incompletion; 2. The Mosley tipped ball is on Allen. Mosley was a free rusher in Josh's direct line of sight and he threw it right at him. If Mosley had been preoccupied by a blocker and managed to get an arm free to tip it then I'd say great play, but that's not what happened. You can't expect to throw it directly above a free rusher's head and claim bad luck when he gets his hands (plural) on it. The fact it turned into an INT was a little unlucky but the ball getting tipped at the line wasn't. RE the fumbles: Dabol seemed to put the strip sack on Allen in his post game noting he has to do a better job with ball security. It's not like he got blindsided. The botched snap was tough given the lack of training camp reps between Allen and Morse. Hopefully that was the first and last time that happens. Despite all of that I thought Josh did some things well on Sunday (e.g sustained drives, quicker decision making). His improvement over last season is already evident, but given the number of poor plays I don't see how we can say he had a good game.

I listed only one of his mistakes in a reply to another poster who pointed out a few others because it isn't necessary to write a full dissertation each time you make a point. Josh had a hand in four turnovers. A fifth was called back on a penalty that didn't impact the play and a sixth didn't happen due to an egregious drop by a Jets DB. I don't think it's ridiculous to suggest it was a bad day. I read your post and I read Thurman Kelly's reply to you. I agree with his take. Further, I don't understand why you think nobody watches the games. I will go out on a limb and guess that the vast majority here not only watch the games but likely re-watch parts of them. I certainly do. I suspect people writing about the games for a living do as well given it's their job and all. The only people involved who are truly biased are us as fans. I've noticed you quote me a lot to tell me how ridiculous or idiotic or whatever you think I am. Let's remember we're both huge Bills fans so even though we disagree we probably have more common than you think

Hate to say it but I don't think there's going to be a meltdown. More likely AB fits in like a glove with that offense and they become the Superbowl favourite over KC. I agree with others who surmised that this was the plan all along. His behaviour in Oakland was way too erratic and nonsensical.

Pretty much this. I don't understand why we have to perform all these mental gymnastics trying to convince ourselves that he was actually good on Sunday. He did a lot of good things, yes, but overall? Way too many mistakes. Remember that pass to Knox on the crossing route that was so far behind him he got completely spun around? One game doesn't make him a bad QB or mean he's going to bust. He had a bad game against a soft Jets D where many of his bugaboos resurfaced. Why is it so hard to admit that? I expect he'll be much better this Sunday.

That was disgusting. I hope McD submits it to the league for review.

I think the Singletary grade was due in part to his lackluster pass protection and other mistakes (i.e. drops and routes) in the passing game. The Milano and Hyde grades are a little surprising -- those guys looked great! Other than that everything else matches what I saw. Not sure what all the fuss is about. Go Sweeney!

I thought Shaq Lawson was excellent. He's so skilled at batting down balls at the line and even though his initial rush isn't anything to write home about, his second effort yesterday was very good. There was a lot to like defensively vs the Jets and Shaq was near the top of the list.

I really don't get all the PFF hate. Those guys have an excellent website IMO. They're basically doing what Dr Z (Paul Zimmerman from SI) did for all those years in watching every play of every game and isolating on each player, then grading them using a standardized grading rubric. It's detailed, objective analysis. Is there also opinion occasionally mixed in? Of course -- they're writers writing on a website. There are also zero other sites (as far as I'm aware) currently doing this for every NFL player. Perhaps the only reason we don't like them is because to date they've been hard on our young QB who has had his fair share of growing pains??

The biggest improvement I saw was in making quicker decisions. Josh left some plays on the field as a result but he made things easier on our o-line in the process. Also, there will surely be benefits to putting those quick decisions on tape. DCs are no longer going to be able to count on getting pressure rushing four which means we should see some better match ups and opportunities for big gains on hot routes.

I agree with the OP to an extent. I'd much rather have an offense that moves the ball and occasionally makes mistakes than a mistake-free offense that doesn't move it. That said, there were WAY too many mistakes. We easily could have had six or seven turnovers through three quarters instead of just four. The average offense scores around 22 ppg. We scored 17 and gave them 8; netting 9 ppg on offense is straight up bad no matter how you slice it up, and they were technically -8 through three quarters, so perhaps it was just as awful as everyone said. It was only one game though and the defense looked as advertised so there's that.

I thought Ford and Spain had rough days and Morse fumbling the snap obviously wasn't good but it's clear we have a much better unit overall. I still think we need to move Ford inside and have Nsekhe start @ RT with Feliciano @ LG. Clearly the coaching staff thinks Ford is a long-term answer at tackle.

Wasn't Josh the highest rated fantasy QB after returning from injury last year? As long as he keeps rushing for TDs and breaking the occasional long one he'll be a decent match up QB at worst and potential QB1 for a lot of fantasy owners.

Liked the competitive nature that came through in the end but the man had four turnovers and could have easily had six or seven if not for all the drops by the Jets and the pick that got overturned. That was a D+ performance at best. If you don't take care of the football you don't win. Period. Josh did everything he could through three quarters to lose today and was bailed out by our defense and a few key calls/drops. It was hard to watch.

I never once said Duke can't make it in the NFL. I said he's not a great fit with Josh. Duke needs a QB who can throw in a tight window because he struggles gaining separation. Josh needs a receiver who can get open because he struggles with ball placement. Pretty simple. I disagree with your assertion that Josh will fail if he can't make ALL the anticipation throws that every other good QB makes. It's not that black and white. These guys all have their own strengths and weaknesses. We didn't draft Peyton. We drafted Cam. I'd much rather Josh pulled it down and ran rather than make an anticipation throw he isn't comfortable with, or just move on to his next read or check down. Play to his strengths. If we try and force him to be something he's not, then yes he will fail. I watched the practice clip from today. Nowhere did I see Duke getting open. I saw him make tough, contested catches on well placed balls where the defender had his hands all over it. Duke is clearly good at that.

Well to date he's struggled making decisions before seeing separation and has had way more success in the reverse using his arm strength to make up for time lag. The front office appears to have noticed based on the receivers they brought in this year (and toward the end of last year). As far as not succeeding without anticipation, surely we can agree that there are degrees to it. Barkley appears to have tremendous instincts in that regard. I'm not sure Josh needs to get to that level in order to be an above average player given his other talents. RE: Duke, he rarely ever gets separation so it's a bit of a moot point. Ball placement is the key issue with him, something Josh also struggles with. It's just not a great fit IMO.

The guys calling Bills games don't seem to think it's nonsense. Anticipation is one of the frequently mentioned areas for improvement.

I think Baldy highlighted that throw in one of his breakdowns. It was a great throw but perhaps even more impressive was Josh going through his pre-snap reads and making adjustments at the line prior to it. Development. I agree Allen will likely be better this year at "throwing guys open" but if we're being honest he was way behind the eight ball at it last year. Along with accuracy and ball placement, throwing receivers open probably won't ever be something he'll excel in. We just need him to get to passable in those areas so that when combined with his tremendous physical gifts he can be above average on the whole. In the meantime, it probably makes sense to pair him with receivers who compliment his skill set. For the reasons listed, I don't that's Duke.