The Red King

PSA for the day, yelling and insulting does not in any way make you right. We're all being calm, while you're going on like you pounded a Red Bull after dumping ten Pixie Sticks in. Try to keep it civil, please. That aside, most, if not all of us think there is nothing wrong with Lamar chasing the $$$. Given the Watson deal he's well within his right. I think we're looking at it wrong. There may well be collusion, but are they colluding against Jackson, or against contracts like Watson's? In other words were it another QB looking for the same contract, would this still be playing out the same way? I believe so. If Jackson were asking for a normal, reasonable contract, would he still be looking for work? Of course not. The owners are colluding against contracts like Watson's, not against Lamar.

Then how does it work? I mean, I can say "Your nonsense argument isn't how it works" and instantly invalidate your arguments just as much as you did mine. Sorry, rebuffing a point requires an actual counter-argument, not a simple "Nu-uh!" I'm not defending the owners. I'm just pointing out the fallacy of the argument that since a single owner did something stupid, a precedent is somehow now set and owners are required to follow suit or it's "collusion". If 3-4 QBs got similar contracts, then yeah. That is an established pattern. This is not. So again, I challenge you to actually argue against my example instead of trying to handwave it away. I predict you won't, and try to cover your inability to do so with hostile and condecending language. Go ahead, prove me wrong.

By extension, if a team was stupid enough to give a QB 99% of its cap space, and had to fill the remaining roster with rookie salaries and vet minimums, would other teams then be required to do so because a precedent had been set? Of course not. The Watson deal is unique, and as such cannot constitute a pattern to collude against.

Injuries did not cause Frazier to be unable to make adjustments. We got lit up in the first Bengals game, yet he proudly stated he was stayng with the plan...and then got shredded twice more before Cincy took their foot off the gas.

It was the OC's first year. The DC, not so much. They looked terrible both sides of the ball. But it wasn't Frazier's first playoff failure.

Frazier stubbornly stuck to his plans. He showed no ability or desire to adapt. When the plan worked it resulted in elite play. 13-3. When the scheme was figured out or simply outplayed they got wrecked as he just refused to adjust. 13 seconds. Bengals game, when he got torched for almost two full drives and didn't change a thing for the playoff game. He's a great DC, who can gameplan well and get the most out of his talent. However, his critical fault is being unable to adjust if his scheme is overcome. In a playoff system where one loss eliminates you, we're going to get tripped up somewhere each time, be it a collapse like 13 seconds, or a beatdown like the Bengals game.

I worried about him playing through that injury, and thinking he maybe should have rested several games. That I'd be happier seeing them go in as a Wild Card with a healthy Allen then I would a top seed with an injured Allen.

Rams vs. Saints NFC Championship game would disagree with you.

Alright, I'll bite. What did they say?

28-24, Eagles

I will ask again, this time to anyone who thinks Frazier is a great coach. Look at only the playoff numbers from his tenure. Not regular season, playoffs. They are horrific. Not just one year. Multiple years. All of them. Are you okay with a DC that will do fantastically in the regular season only to underperform and flame out in the playofffs? It's like recording a painful football game, then rewatching it, hoping they win this time. And when they don't, you watch the recording again because this time you've got a good feeling about it and gosh darn it, they were so close they just gotta win this time! Frazier has made it crystal clear what kind of DC he is, and that's perfectly fine if you want to crush the regular season. Me? I'd like an actual shot at a Super Bowl title.

Gotten plenty off it, thank you. I'm glad you think anyone who's opinions differ from yours, individuals that think this team showed critical flaws that need addressing, are toxic, overreacting people. I almost empithised with you, until that last line. This is a forum. We are allowed to voice our opinions, even if they differ from yours. Some of us are sick of the drop-off from regular-season performance to playoff performance. Especially on defense. And we have a right to both feel and express that. Equally as much as you have the right to think this season died to circumstances both too numerous and serious to overcome. I may strongly disagree with that mindset, but I would never begrudge or backhand insult anyone having it.

So...to be clear...some of you are pointing to glorified Power Rankings as conclusive evidence the Bills are perfectly fine? Really?

Allen had some rough games. Inconsitancy will kill his MVP chances this season, not overall stats.

We didn't win a playoff game. The Giants did.

Vegas isn't ranking anyone. They are setting betting lines. In this case they're hoping to fleece people who don't look deep enough into the Bills and free-pass them based on circumstances.

My marriage was over Dec. 1st. See, I did everything I could do to salvage it, and then came to the tough realization that things weren't going to ever get better. At that point I did what I had to and moved on. ...the Bills should do the same with Frazier.

This reeks of desperation and an absolute ignorance about the root of their defensive woes.

I did, after 13 seconds. And we got this season.

Any time he drops out of the public limelight you know something like this will happen. The man needs attention like we need oxygen. "I'm ready for my close-up, Mr. Deville."

You mean the soft bend but don't break that barely survived Wild Card weekend and imploded against Cincy? The D scheme carved in stone even if it's not working? Backs playing 10 yards off on 3rd/4th and short? Yeah, I watched all of this season.

13 seconds was comical? You got a funny sense of humor.

His contract expired at the end of this season.

Someone's passing around a bottle of Copium in this thread. Look, if you want to believe he'll get better, go for it. But don't try and sugar-coat his performance this year. Yes, he had amazing plays, but he's also had critical drops. He's utterly inconsistant, and you can't have that in a WR2.

The Bengals were torching us before that game was called off. And Frazier changed nothing for the playoff game. That's the issue. He makes one plan for a game come hell or high water. He doesn't adapt. If a team figures him out, he's dead. We seem like we're in a permanent prevent D. Even on 3rd or 4th and short we play twice as far off the receiver as they need for the 1st. No game awareness. As others noted, elite QBs shred us. And I do laugh when someone says they'll save all the negative threads for use next season. Hey, anyone save last season's? That way you can rub it in our faces...oh wait, those threads were right, weren't they? Insanity is doing the exact same thing and expecting a different outcome. That applies both game to game and season to season.