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PFF End of Season QB Rankings
twoandfourteen replied to NewEraBills's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
You originally said "scheming to your strengths". According to wikipedia: The Oklahoma playbook describes the quarterback, the architect behind the Wishbone, as, "a running back who can throw." McD & Beaner were laying the groundwork for the future this year and they weren't going to waste another season because the JV QB can't run a modern NFL offense. -
PFF End of Season QB Rankings
twoandfourteen replied to NewEraBills's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
You are essentially asking for the Bills to run the Wishbone. -
PFF End of Season QB Rankings
twoandfourteen replied to NewEraBills's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Found it: JAX-10 BUF-3 FINAL Luck Bradford Bridgewater Palmer (retired, but still played in 2017) Tannehill -
Cordy Glenn for Andy Dalton
twoandfourteen replied to uticaclub's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Interesting. Here's a head-to-head based on total offense produced between 2015-2017: Dalton - 45 games 11201 total yds (10776 pass/435 rush) 75 TDs (68 pass/7 rush) 27 INT (1.9%) 18 Fumbles 248.9 yds/gm 1.6 TDs/gm .6 INT/gm .4 FMB/gm 100 sacks, -637 yards Net yards/pass att - 6.56 Taylor - 44 games 10432 total yds (8857 pass/1575 rush) 65 TDs (51 pass/14 rush) 16 INT (1.3%) 17 Fumbles 237.0 yds/gm 1.4 TDs/gm .3 INT/gm .3 FM/gm 124 sacks, -660 yards Net yards/pass att - 6.03 Dalton throws a TD on 4.7% of his pass attempts and Taylor is 4.1% Dalton throws an INT on 1.9% of pass attempts and Taylor is 1.3% No real purpose for this, just a look at the numbers. -
Yep. Totally unacceptable.
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Cordy Glenn for Andy Dalton
twoandfourteen replied to uticaclub's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
1. Ok, show me the clutch throws that Taylor has made in any situation like that. The point is that Dalton CAN do it. Our current QB either can't or won't. 2. Thompson was as wide open as any WR could possibly be on that 44 yard toss. Great play, absolutely. But let's not pretend it was the "Immaculate Reception" or anything. 3. Absolutely correct. Despite not having a legitimate starting QB on the roster, the Bills were able to keep themselves in a position where a great throw on 4th down from an actual starting QB in a an entirely different game punched their ticket to Wild Card Weekend. The Bills and Tyrod did the work to benefit from some help, and deserve all of the recognition that comes with it. 4. You know, watching that last throw in the Panthers game again -- maybe it was just poor execution from both QB & WR. See, the problem is that Taylor doesn't exactly have a reputation for making accurate throws, so I tend more towards him misfiring and that forced Jones to adjust awkwardly. But it's possible that Jones ran his route to the wrong place, but still, Tyrod has to be able to put that ball right on his wide-open receiver. 5. This is a factual and correct statement, yes. -
Cordy Glenn for Andy Dalton
twoandfourteen replied to uticaclub's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
You know he put "Hotrod" into the playoffs with a throw that Taylor could only dream about. I'd also take 2 more playoff years in a row while our rookie learns on the bench. -
Cordy Glenn for Andy Dalton
twoandfourteen replied to uticaclub's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Sure, why not? Only thing I would want is a QB in the draft, too. I can't imagine CIN would trade their QB for an OL, though. -
PFF End of Season QB Rankings
twoandfourteen replied to NewEraBills's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
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This is exactly why I never understood the "Tyrod won't lose you games" argument. Not moving the ball and not scoring points will absolutely lose you a game. In fact, I would posit that 1 or 2 INTs is far less damaging to your chances of winning than only managing to score 3 points in a game. In fact, let's take a look.... NFL 2015-2017 Offense scores 3 points -- 0-23-0 .000 Offense scores less than 10 points -- 9-199-2 .048 Offense scores less than 17 -- 78-441-2 .152 (FYI - The Bills have the best winning percentage in the NFL when scoring 17 or fewer, 6-9/.400) - Full List Offense throws 1 INT -- 232-284-2 .450 Offense throws 2 INTs -- 65-168-0 .279 Offense throws 3+ INTs -- 7-83-0 .078 Here's one for the #teamtyrod guys: Offense scores more than 24 points -- 537-154-2 .776 - Full List *The Bills are 11th in games scoring 24 or more with 23. However, they are only 13-10 (.560) in those games, which ranks 30th. This suggests a couple of things: The defense could have been better over the past 3 years. There are probably quite a few blowouts where the Bills racked up a few scores after the game was out of reach to get to 24. Feel free to check into it if you are so inclined. I'm not. The Bills passing offense wasn't equipped to compete with many teams in a shootout. Interesting. The Bills scored more than 28 points 14 times, and they were 10-4 in those games.
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NFL.com: Gregg Rosenthal's QB Index
twoandfourteen replied to 26CornerBlitz's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
So.... essentially the PFF rating system is telling us that Tyrod Taylor outperformed at least 20 other QBs this year? -
Denison and Tyrod should share the same fate
twoandfourteen replied to KingRex's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives
Ok, sure. Sounds good to me. Couldn't possibly care any less about the OC, whoever it is. He'll be an 8th-year veteran. I think that ship sailed a long time ago. -
I didn't look that deeply into the scores or individual games since I was simply looking at just basic production -- but I agree with you 100%, aside from maybe 1 or 2 games I really can't recall any late-game clutch heroics or plays he's made to bring a team back. I'll take a look into your question, because I'm wondering the same thing. There's so much about this QB that doesn't cut it. I'm amazed at the level of ardent, and delusional, supporters he had and still has.
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Stay with me now... He avoids INTs because he doesn't throw for many yards or TDs. Defenders tend to protect the areas of the field most beneficial to the offense, such as the end zone or first down marker. So, Tyrod throws the ball out of bounds instead. INT avoided, but so is the first down or a TD. It's like robbing a bank -- but instead of stealing money because that's where the guards are, you grab a stack of deposit slips and run out the door.
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Exactly. It's almost insane how poor the production has been. In only 3 years, Taylor has exactly a full season's worth of games under 180 passing yards. Then, add in 1 or 0 passing TDs in 7 out of every 10 games he plays. Has almost as many games with 0 passing TDs (12) as he has with 2 or more (13). Kind of mind-boggling, to be honest.
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1. Mostly because he doesn't throw for many yards or TDs. 2. Yes, Taylor is the "Robin Williams of QBs". Those 3rd & Long checkdowns to Mike Tolbert were hilarious. 3. Hope you like holding penalties. 4. He has almost never done this. Define what you mean by "destroy". 5. I think this might be possible if the teams he is playing against only put 8 men on the field.
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I just looked at pretty much everything Taylor did over the course of three years. You are essentially saying that Tyrod was handicapped by various things: coaching, injuries, player movement, etc. right? Well, for this to be at all relevant over a span of three years then it would have to stand that no other QB was forced to adjust or manage similar things. We all know that's not even remotely true -- rarely is a situation 100% optimal. However, I suppose you might be able to make a case if you're looking to compare head-to-head performances on a single game or very small group of games basis. However, over the course of three years all of the extraneous stuff really tends to just cancel itself out with a large enough sample size, at least in my opinion. Pretty much every QB across the league deals with injuries, changing systems, players leaving, players coming in, whatever. There's really no way to accurately or account for those things. If there was, I certainly don't have the interest or motivation to analyze every little circumstance to see how it positively or negatively affects players. Here's the deal. Stuff happens throughout the season and from season to season. Good players are talented and skilled enough to adjust and maintain acceptable standards of production. Not-so-good players regress and struggle. Backup-quality players like Tyrod Taylor can produce relatively decent numbers when things are close to optimal. But when they aren't, they completely fall apart and the result is a spectacular cascade of total failure.
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So this little exercise got me thinking... how can I continue to waste more time on pointless things today? And it hit me... I can see what a "comparable" QB's %s look like over the past 3 seasons. Since there is some discussion about him being the same QB as Taylor, how about a little look into the life and times of Alex Smith? I didn't give him the "Full Tyrod", but most of it is here. Tyrod #'s in parenthesis. Alex Smith - 2015-2017 46 games as the Chiefs QB (TT-44): INT Games with 3+ INT - 0 - 0.0% (1/2.2%) Games with 2 INT - 3 - 6.5% (0/0.0%) Games with 1 INT - 14 - 30.4% (13/29.5%) Games with 0 INT - 29 - 63.0% (30/68.1%) Games with 1 or 0 INT - 43 - 93.4% Games with 1+ INT - 17 - 36.9% Games with 2+ INT - 3 - 6.5% Passing Yards - AS Best Game: 386 TT Best Game: 329 7 games over 300 - 15.2% (1/2.2%) 39 games under 300 - 84.7% (43/97.7%) 35 games under 280 - 76.0% (38/86.3%) 20 games under 230 - 43.4% (30/68.1%) 14 games under 200 - 30.4% (23/52.2%) 9 games under 180 - 19.5% (16/36.3%) 2 games under 130 - 4.3% (7/15.9%) 0 games under 100 - 0.0% (2/4.5%) Passing TDs - AS Best Game: 4 TT Best Game: 3 2 games with 4 pass TD - 4.3% (0/0.0%) 3 games with 3 pass TD - 6.5% (6/13.6%) 12 games with 2 pass TD - 26.0% (7/15.9%) 20 games with 1 pass TD - 43.4% (19/43.1%) 9 games with 0 pass TD - 19.5% (12/27.2%) Games with 1 or 0 passing TD: 29 - 63.0% (31/70.4%) Games with 2 or fewer passing TD: 41 - 89.1% (38/86.3%) Games with 2 or more passing TD: 17 - 36.9% (13/29.5%) Rushing - AS Best Game: 78 TT Best Game: 79 2 Games with 70-79 rushing yds - 4.3% (3/6.1%) 4 Games with 60 rushing yds or more - 8.6% (6/13.6%) 5 Games with 50 rushing yds or more - 10.8% (10/22.7%) 41 Games with 49 rushing yds or less - 89.1% (34/77.2%) 15 Games with 25 rushing yds or more - 32.6% (33/75.0%) 31 Games with 24 rushing yds or less - 67.3% (11/25.0%) Passing & Rushing 2 games with 200+ passing yards & 50+ rushing yards - 4.3% (4/9.0%) 13 games with 150+ passing yards & 25+ rushing yards - 28.2% (27/61.3%)
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Nope, not really. To me, it doesn't matter who the receivers are when the QB responsible for delivering the ball just can't do it. Gronkowski's greatest strength is his ability to out-muscle any defensive player for the ball. Brady throws it to him whether he's covered or not. Taylor just refuses to do that. As an aside, I've sometimes wondered what would have become of Gronkowski had the Bills drafted him. I think he probably would have had a couple of meh-to-decent seasons, left in FA, and most likely gone on to have a decent, if not unspectacular, career. Certainly not the all-world, all-time great he became with TB12 throwing at him. Well, unless he landed somewhere with Rodgers, Brees, Manning or Rivers.
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44 games with Tyrod at QB - % breakdown
twoandfourteen replied to twoandfourteen's topic in The Stadium Wall Archives