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But you are impressed by Taylor's skill set as a passer?

Ever stop to consider how those guys got to be included among those "few select QBs".... Or do passing yards only matter for Brady, Manning, Brees, and Rogers? 1. Rian Lindell, Dan Carpernter, and Stephen Hauschka say whats up. 2. 1995 called. It wants it's hot football take back.

Has less to do with Peterman, specifically and more to do with people being really tired of seeing Tyrod's JV offense every Sunday. Taylor's ceiling is well known and established at this point. Peterman is an unknown and I think people wanted to see if maybe the Bills got lucky in the 5th round. It's like a scratch-off ticket, basically. More than likely it's going in the garbage, but you never know until you take a look.

Peyton Manning's 3rd down efficiency is definitely what is going to put him in the Hall of Fame. Tom Brady must have lost a TON of games to pass for all those yards over the course of his career, too.

No argument here.

1. Since 2007, there have been 1,188 games where a QB has thrown for 300+ yards. The QB who threw for 300+ has won that game 644 times. The QB who threw for 300+ has lost that game 544 times. 2. ...and just how do teams go about accomplishing those two tasks? My guess is by moving the ball up and down the field. If only there were a statistic that measured such a thing.....

You are literally one small step away from saying that scoring points doesn't mean anything.

Since 1999 there have been 35 games where a QB has thrown 5 or more interceptions. The Bills defense is responsible for 4 of those games, which actually leads all NFL teams. Joe Flacco - 5 INTs in 2013, Bills win 23-20 Mark Sanchez - 5 INTs in 2009, Bills win 16-13 Tony Romo - 5 INTs in 2007, Bills lose 25-24 AJ Feeley - 5 INTs in 2004, Bills win 42-32 Carolina, Cincinnati, and Seattle are all tied at 3 games. Bonus: Since 1999, teams that intercept 5 or more passes in a game are a combined 33-2. The Bills are one of only two teams to lose a game in which they had 5 INTs. Arizona is the other -- they picked off Matt Ryan 5 times back in 2012 and lost to Atlanta 23-19.

What are you implying? A problem with my math? I was actually giving Tyrod a little leeway on the passing yards because of his ability to also produce offense running the ball. So for him, a season of 3400 passing yards, 20 TDs, and 4 INTs should be the standard for him. I just used Alex Smith to demonstrate that it is possible because they both have the same INT%.

I just looked it up, that list is kind of crazy. Peyton Manning had 6 INTs against San Diego back in 2007. Russell Wilson had 5 last year. Brees, Warner, Marino, Favre, Stafford, Bledsoe... all on there. Of course, there are also a few of the Harringtons and Feeleys of the world there, too. It looks like games like that are going to happen occasionally when you try to move the ball like an actual professional football team.

I have, and I always ask that when I see someone say he's a "Top 20 QB" and that "you could do a lot worse". Because I'd like to know how that particular individual got to that conclusion, since I don't agree -- it's called a "discussion". I might learn something new or might look at things a different way. Or, on the other hand, I might present something that other poster hadn't considered yet. No moving targets here. The "would you trade X for Taylor today?" question is, to me at least, the best way to slot him in the hierarchy of NFL QBs. The only time is seems to bother people is when it uncovers the reality that the "he's better than lots of guys out there" narrative isn't really true. Otherwise, you tend to get really bogged down in the minutia of obscure game splits and stats, and making all sorts of excuses and "if they would only" statements that you don't afford to the players you are comparing him to. If you're looking to find the overall place of the 60-70 or so guys that are #1 or #2 QBs in the league right now, he's probably right in the middle, 30-35. I just can't see placing a guy who has 2800 yards passing and 14 TDs any higher than that, simply because he doesn't throw any INTs. Taylor's INT stat would be really impressive if it came with another 500-600 yards passing and 6 more TDs. For example, Alex Smith had 5 INTs this year... but also 26 TDs and over 4000 yards to go with them.

I don't think they can. That Jaguar defense is ferocious, especially the secondary. There's a good chance they would eat the kid alive, and once you consider how that Charger game went down... Even if Taylor is a train wreck, I think he stays in the game unless he gets hurt. Hopefully, he can catch fire and be the guy that people around here think he is. Like I said earlier somewhere, it would be really nice to see a Bills QB be the best player on the field and really dominate the game for a change. It's been a very long time since we've had something like that around here.

Ben Roethlisberger threw 5 interceptions in a game this year. Two of them went back for TDs. Have you ever taken a look at the list of guys who have thrown 5 INTs in a game? ***Disclaimer: This is in no way, shape, or form meant to imply that I think Peterman is the next Ben Roethlisberger or next great NFL QB. It is simply to point out that it really doesn't provide any relevant insight into what kind of career he will eventually have. The kid very well might be selling real estate in 3 years. It is even dumber to use this single game to try and artificially enhance Tyrod Taylor's value as a starter.***

What legitimate starting QBs are actually worse? There are maybe 5-6 you wouldn't trade Tyrod straight up for. He put up 2800 yards passing and 14 TDs. Those are rookie numbers.

What exactly is so false or ridiculous that you disagree with?

This is actually all very true. The Bills do their best when the offensive gameplan essentially becomes "backyard ball" -- that's a disaster over the course of a full season, but in a playoff game against an aggressive defense, it actually really works in their favor. I mean, It's not like the Jags secondary can shut down the Bills WRs any more than they already are.

I couldn't possibly agree more. My very vocal criticism of Taylor is based on the fact that his style of play and an offensive system built around his skill set just isn't set up for consistent success over the course of a full NFL season. However, all of that goes out the window in the playoffs. Taylor could conceivably be the X-factor for a change and really control the game. I hope he does, it would be exciting to see.

You know what? I stand corrected -- you're right. Tolbert had 41 rushing yards against Denver, and McCoy had 21. Of course, McCoy also had 7 catches on 7 targets for 48 yards to Tolbert's 0 for 0 in that game. He was Tyrod's most target receiver on the year, by the way. Tyrod would have been an even bigger mess this year without McCoy, especially in the passing game.

It's McCoy and it's not even close. After Tyrod's 56 yard dumpster fire against New Orleans, Peterman came in a put up better numbers. It was only 5 minutes against a Saints D that was headed for the bus, but he still managed to outplay Tyrod that day. At no point has any RB come in and produced better than McCoy. The kid also played a great first half in a Blizzard against the Colts -- mostly because of 25. So the drop-off from Taylor to Peterman isn't anywhere near the drop-off from LeSean McCoy to Mike Tolbert.

You keep saying this. I actually take offense to your accusation. I am far too clever to use a screen name like "Crusher". The bravado comes from being right. But back to my post. You say it's "stupid", yet you provide no argument or evidence to the contrary. I basically laid out a very logical argument for how a completely dysfunctional passing game can cause a spiral-down effect on other areas of the game, especially in a passing-based league. How is that wrong?

Just a reminder that punts are basically controlled turnovers. Keep that in mind when you see Colton trot on to the field.

I would argue this point -- it's not fair to Taylor to not credit his major contribution as a leader and captain. He showed great poise and professionalism, especially late in the season. He most certainly led this team.

True Statement: Those guys have bad games, just like Tyrod does. True Statement: Those guys have really great games, but Tyrod does not.

1. I've said multiple times that Taylor is the consummate pro and was instrumental in putting the Bills in the position they were in last Sunday afternoon. He played very well in the games the team needed over the last month and deserves all the credit for that. 2. It is also very true that this team advanced in spite of an absolutely inept passing offense and some very, very poor single-game performances from Taylor. A win in Carolina or Cincinnati would have made the Ravens game irrelevant. Make whatever excuses you want about coordinator or receivers, but the reality is that these are still NFL players and Taylor is a 7 year veteran. Those were very winnable games he left on the table, not to mention several others that we can debate about forever. 3. Not even close. Aside from throwing the football, he's the epitome of what a pro athlete should be. 4. I am. This is great, are you kidding me? It's about damn time we get the breaks to go our way for once. 5. I'll be honest, I never thought he could. But Tyrod played the hand he was dealt -- an opportunistic defense, a very weak conference, and a miraculous last-second rally in Baltimore -- and turned it into a playoff birth for the Bills. Full marks for that. 6. It was at the time it was made, absolutely. Of course, you can say it was wrong after the fact, but the bar had been set so low that the odds of anyone coming in and doing a worse job than Taylor at that point were ridiculously long. Amazingly, Nate Peterman found a way to beat the odds and made Taylor's 56 yards passing look great by comparison. The odds on this team making it to the playoffs were also long -- this team seems to have a knack for that kind of thing. 7. I was guardedly optimistic going into week 15 & 17. Had really nothing to do with Taylor, but more the result of a defense-mechanism that has developed over the decades of being a Buffalo Sports fan. There's a reason why "Billsing" has become a verb around here. 8. This is very true. Taylor would not have gotten the team here without the assist from a defense that had an affinity for more than a few very timely turnovers throughout the year. 9. I'm hoping that Taylor takes advantage of the opportunity he has in Jacksonville. With McCoy limited, he needs to be the guy to take the game over. It would be an incredible story and I want to see it happen for him. Taylor has the chance to change his entire narrative. I just want to see a Bills QB be the best player on the field for a change. It's been a long time since that's happened. Go get it, Tyrod.