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So, because these games show just how low the floor can be with Taylor and what an absolute liability he can be in the passing game. No, he won't throw any INTs... but he also won't throw for any yards or touchdowns, either. Not exactly a recipe for sustained success in the NFL. It worked this year, and all it took was Andy Dalton making the most clutch throw of Tyrod Taylor's career.

What happens if the Jags go up by 10 early?

I have absolutely no idea what any of this means. Fortunately, I couldn't possibly care any less.

I mean, you're reaching here... but it's still the most rational thing I've read from #teamtyrod. All I can say is that I would hope that after 7 seasons of professional football, including 2 as a full-time starter that a player like Taylor could adapt to any system a least to a level where he could produce 100 passing yards. I'm not criticizing the guy for not going for 450+ every game. Hell, I've given up entirely on Tyrod's quest for 300. But the multiple sub-100 yard performances, coupled with the multiple games with only 3 points scored was a new level of bad for the Bills offense. I don't care what system Rico throws Tyrod in. He should be able to complete 10 passes for an average of 10 yards each.

Sure did. The kid should never have been forced into that situation. Taylor had multiple poor performances and the offense had become so useless with him under center that McDermott literally had no choice but to make a move to the rookie. How is this factually incorrect? What aboutTaylor's 56 yard/3 point performance against the Saints did you feel was particularly strong and compelling? Or maybe you really liked the 74 passing yards that Taylor had amassed against Carolina before the final drive? Put up only 3 points in that game, too. I know I'm partial to Nick O'leary leading all Bills receivers with 54 yards against Cincinnati. In that one, Tyrod piled up 166 passing yards, going 20/37 with a TD and 1 INT. But he protected the football better than Andy Dalton, who was 22/36 for 328 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTS. The Bills may have lost the game, but Tyrod won the turnover battle that day! So yes. Taylor was literally a garbage fire on multiple occasions this season and McDermott had to do something. Unfortunately, Peterman wasn't ready. But there was no chance that the Bills win that game with Taylor. Forget the Chargers defense... Rivers and Allen were operating on a level that Tyrod can't even see. That was a no-win situation at that point of the season. But yes... yes he has. in only 13 games this year, JMcC put up more yards and TDs than Tyrod did in 14.5 games. Even had more rushing TDs too. Statistically, that would be better. JMcC has also averaged more passing yards per game than Taylor in previous seasons. Feel free to go look it up.

Passing Yards: JAX - 3593 (17th) BUF - 2825 (31st, a full 14 yards ahead of last-place CHI) Passing TDs: JAX - 21 (22nd) BUF - 16 (27th) Net Yards/Att: JAX - 6.5 (12th) BUF - 5.4 (28th) TOP 4 JAX RECEIVERS: Cole (WR) - 42/748/17.8/3 Lee (WR) - 56/702/12.5/3 Hurns (WR) - 39/484/12.4/2 Westbrook (WR) - 27/339/12.1/1 TOP 4 BUF RECEIVERS: Clay (TE) - 49/558/11.4/2 McCoy (RB) - 59/448/7.6/2 Thompson (WR) - 27/430/15.9/1 O'leary (TE) - 22/322/14.6/2 Yeah, the Bills and Tyrod Taylor definitely have the edge in the passing game. Good call.

I never said that they were lucky. I never said they got in based on one play. Their body of work was just enough to put them in position to get into the playoffs with some help. As the starting QB, Tyrod was a major contributor to the situation the Bills were in as time was running out in Baltimore. I only said that Andy Dalton was the guy that threw the TD pass that officially put the Bills in the playoffs. That is a factually correct and opinion-neutral statement.

The Bills should have drafted Tom Brady in the 5th round back in 2000. What's your point?

Nope, it doesn't. The Bills had many opportunities after the Bengals game to continue on and play. It's only moderately relevant because it was one of the 7 other losses they had. The Bills needed help to get in because of many other games/plays throughout the season. The Dalton/Boyd TD was it. There were no second chances. The direct result of that play was a ticket to the playoffs for the Bills.

He was a big part of the team getting to the postseason. As the starting QB, that is true pretty much by default. He was also a big part of it almost not happening. His inability to produce anything even remotely resembling a barely functional passing offense cost them several games, and that includes the Chargers game.

Yes. Andy Dalton threw the TD pass that LITERALLY put the Bills into the playoffs. He's not THE REASON they made the playoffs, but he's the guy that PUT them there. This shouldn't be so difficult. My screen name is not a prediction... but a nod to the Bills record back when I was a young lad, just starting out.

My point is based on Taylor's horrible performance specifically at that point in the season. The 56 yards and a FG against the Saints created a situation where the offense had become so bad that literally anyone with QB experience on the roster became a -- wait for it -- "viable" option. However, Joe Webb was NOT a viable option at any time during the season until that Saints game. After another Tyrod dumpster fire under center, all bets were off. By the way, it wasn't such a "silly notion" after the guy came in and pulled off the W in the Colts game, was it?

"Viable" does not mean "at least on par". "Viable" does not mean "equal to". "Viable" is an entirely different concept. I can see this is causing you some confusion, so I'll illustrate the difference with this totally hypothetical and not-at-all true example: My girlfriend accidentally came across my internet search history, so a tent pitched in the backyard became a "viable" living arrangement for me. Living in a tent in the back yard is obviously no where near as good as living in the house, but it's better than sleeping out in the rain. Now do you see the difference?

I sure did. Also, to clarify before my man here moves the goalposts again, it wasn't that JW was a "more viable" option than Taylor. It was simply, he was a "viable" option at the position. Obviously, Taylor is a better QB than Joe Webb. But that wasn't the question. And, oddly enough, you never responded to my explanation. This game isn't much fun if you're not going to play along. I'll go ahead and re-post it here for your convenience. Feel free to respond at your leisure. Is it really though? Remember, we're talking about "viable", not "ideal" or even "good". Tyrod Taylor is responsible for creating a crisis at the most important position on the field. There is no argument against that. There is no BS obscure stat that can excuse it. He was terrible against the Saints. The offense was terrible as a result. It also wasn't the first time this year that he has run the offense right into the ground. So yes, even ol' Joe Webb became a "viable" option at the position... because he has taken NFL snaps before and the production couldn't really get much worse than 56 passing yards and a FG. That is what Taylor had done to the Bills passing game and offense as a whole at that point in the season. Joe Webb also happens to have playoff experience as a starting QB in the NFL, as I'm sure you probably know. Taylor does not have that, by the way. I had to look it up, but interestingly enough, his stat line from that playoff start should look awfully familiar.... 11/30 180 yards 1TD and 1INT. Around here, there are guys who are ready to put a bust of you in Canton for putting up 180 and a TD. Let's also give JW credit for taking the wheel in a historic blizzard and leading the Bills to a win that will go down as one of the most memorable ever at the Ralph. At the end of the day though, he's not a good QB. He probably shouldn't ever take another snap. So yes, I will absolutely claim that after Tyrod's multiple abysmal performances this year, culminating with the 56'er he put up against NO... all options at QB became "viable", even Joe Webb. That's what happens when things get desperate.

Super. You have fun with Tyrod and the 7 to 9 wins you'll get every year. But at least he won't throw many INTs. I'm looking for a QB that can win 11,12 or 13. Safe to say, that isn't happening ever for Taylor.

This is practically the definition of "splitting hairs", ladies & gentlemen. This is true. Taylor was, in fact, the starting QB of the first Bills team to make the playoffs in nearly two decades. I give Taylor full credit for that. It's also undeniable that Andy Dalton -- a legitimate starting QB -- actually threw the 49 yard TD pass that put the Bills in the playoffs. So, it's not quite the same as a real starting QB "leading his team" to the playoffs... but I'll gladly take what I can get after all this time. Taylor did what he needed to do yesterday and everything worked out for us all. It's a nice change of pace, right?

1. If by "tight windows" you mean "the receiver's shoes", then yes, you are correct. 2. Yes, he does "throw guys open" -- Taylor does consistently find the NFL Films camera men and/or team trainers standing out of bounds on deep throws, even when there are players from the other team nearby. 3. I agree, you can "win with him" -- as long as your own defense scores a TD in the game and doesn't allow the other team to score more than 21 points. You should really plan on not allowing more than 13, just to be on the safe side though. This approach, combined with Tyrod Taylor's ability to play QB should win you 1 out of every 2 games.

Tyrod Delusion Syndrome, or TDS, is a very real and very serious cognitive disorder. Fortunately for you, I am here to help. Start here by reading the first post in this thread three times a day for the next two weeks:

There is a huge difference between 94-48 and 22-20. Yet, both are still "winning records". I don't think that requires any further explanation. As for Cousins, no one needs to cite secondary or obscure stats to support the fact that Kirk Cousins is a Top 10-12 QB in the NFL. However, Taylor's game is so flawed and so limited that you need it to try and ustify his place as a fringe starter. I didn't even catch your subtle accusation of racism in there the first time. You should run with that one though, it definitely helps to make a stronger case for Tyrod. When you're done, make sure you put that card back in your pocket. You're probably going to want to use it again, I'm sure.

You said to look at his stats. So I did. The Tyrod fangirls like to throw around that "winning record" thing. Aaron Rodgers has a "winning record" is not he same thing as Tyrod Taylor has a "winning record". Taylor's record is barely above .500 -- exactly what a top-end backup-quality QB should have.

Was the QB situation much better last year? Because Taylor had so many offers to start elsewhere that he decided to take a pay cut to come back to Buffalo.

Must have been one of the zero times Taylor threw for 300 yards in regulation, right?

What has Tyrod done that makes you think AJMcC would be any worse? Taylor has been running the worst passing offense in football for three straight years. If AJMcC can get you to the 29th or 27th ranked passing offense, that would actually be an improvement. Regardless, I don't particularly care. McCarron would be here to bring up Peterman & the rookie. I also think Fitz would be good for this role as well. Taylor is a great pro, but the key to his game is found in his special skill set. It's of no use for any other young QB, because they don't have his athleticism. We need the young guys to read defenses, attack coverages, and identify NFL passing windows.

I could get behind this plan. Yes. I like it -- go with AJMcC and run the two kid QBs behind him for a year or two.

4th & 12... Tyrod has Tyler Boyd deep and Mike Tolbert in the flat. Where do you think that ball is going?