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This is wrong. The Bills line grades out pretty well actually. Tyrod Taylor's indecisiveness and mobility in the pocket make pass protection far more difficult for the linemen -- they have to hold off defenders longer and they never know where Tyrod is going to end up on a given play.

I was simply pointing out that your particular argument had a major flaw. I will say this -- while Bortles is a far more capable passer with better handle on the modern NFL offense, he is also more likely to blow up at a crucial moment and cost you a game. Taylor won't put up big passing numbers and won't commit turnovers. So as long as your offensive gameplan is built on the defense scoring a TD and a strong running attack, you should be in good shape to grind out a 16-10 win.

Of course you did. Because those two data sets reflect two different things -- you are factoring Bortles' struggles learning on the job into his overall production, while giving Taylor an artificial 'bump' by only using his stats after 4 years in the league. So, while you are trying to say that those numbers reflect similar players... in reality, they are further apart than you claim they are.

Yeah... 4000+ passing yards, 25-35 TDs. Simply awful. Even this season for Manning was way better than Taylor -- and it is universally agreed upon that this was one of Eli's worst ever. What bothers me is people running around proclaiming that Tyrod Taylor is an "okay" starter when he's really not. I'm tired of watching Bills QBs run the offense into the ground every week and struggle to put up 185 yards passing and 17 points. The truth is that Eli is an "okay" starter now. Taylor isn't on that level.

Two quick questions -- Did you include Bortles' rookie year stats in those numbers? Are your TT numbers just from his 3 years as a starter?

In no way, shape, or form does Tyrod Taylor belong in the same group as Eli Manning. The guy has multiple rings and has knocked off the Patriots, twice. He's put his team on his back and won championships. Eli is definitely in the winter of his career, but I don't think there is a sane person on the planet that would take Tyrod over Eli if you needed a QB to go and win a big game. Taylor needed late game heroics from the aforementioned Andy Dalton to get his own team in the playoffs. Dalton is in another tier as well. So, now factor in that there are several teams with multiple QBs that are better than Taylor -- like Minnesota and Indianapolis, and that places TT firmly in the 27-35 range as far as the league as a whole goes. He is a bottom-tier QB. It amazes me that people argue this only because the guy doesn't throw INTs (he also doesn't throw for very many TDs) and can spin around in the pocket really fast.

Ok, great -- I appreciate you playing along here. I disagree with JAX, TEN, and BALT. Bortles has been far and away the better QB statistically for his career and Mariota had a bad season, but is younger with a much better skill set and higher ceiling. Flacco has a ring and could still conceivably run a more consistent passing offense better than Taylor -- however, that's definitely debatable and I can see going either way. However, I'll give those to you for the sake of this exercise. Oh, and the Jets depends on whether or not JMcC comes back or not. He's also been statistically better than Taylor overall for the past few years -- and that was playing for Cleveland and The NYJ. So this means thatTaylor doesn't even crack the top 20 for you, correct?

Ok, lets play pretend then. You are the Bills GM, very secure about your knowledge of football. Every other stupid GM in the NFL is calling you right now offering you their starting QB for Tyrod Taylor, straight up. How many would you consider saying yes to? You mean like DeShaun Watson, Russell Wilson, or Cam Newton?

You're kidding right? That question is literally "what is a player worth?" Tyrod Delusion Syndrome is reaching new levels today.

Name 15 NFL QBs that a GM would trade you straight up for Taylor, right now.

What statistics are you looking at? By every statistical measure, he's not a good starting NFL QB.

Ok, name 15 NFL QBs that a GM would trade straight up for Tyrod Taylor, right now.

Pretty much any QB that can throw the football accurately presently in the NFL or draft eligible.

I never said we wouldn't make the playoffs with the guy. I've just maintained that he was in the 30-35 range as far as NFL QBs go. Backup QBs have made the playoffs in the past. But regardless, TT gets full marks from me for being the QB of the Bills team that finally broke through.

No. Thank. You. Happy for him, he's carved out a nice little place for himself in Buffalo sports history... but I'll really enjoy seeing him miss open receivers and airmail deep throws out of bounds on any team other than Buffalo next season.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... let's slow down a bit there

But I have to give credit to the man. Thank you, TT -- you've earned a very special spot in Buffalo sports history.

You need to win one game. It's not against the Miami Dolphins. Who gets the start?

Just pointing it out for everyone here on the bus chuckling at the Dolphins for putting a QB who was drafted in the 6th round out there today. Also, lest us not forget that this franchise has a knack for pulling breakout debut performances and career games out of unknown opponents.

This should be tattooed on the forehead of every politician in the country.

Are we still evaluating the Bills 2011 6th round quarterback?

Is it really though? Remember, we're talking about "viable", not "ideal" or even "good". Tyrod Taylor is responsible for creating a crisis at the most important position on the field. There is no argument against that. There is no BS obscure stat that can excuse it. He was terrible against the Saints. The offense was terrible as a result. It also wasn't the first time this year that he has run the offense right into the ground. So yes, even ol' Joe Webb became a "viable" option at the position... because he has taken NFL snaps before and the production couldn't really get much worse than 56 passing yards and a FG. That is what Taylor had done to the Bills passing game and offense as a whole at that point in the season. Joe Webb also happens to have playoff experience as a starting QB in the NFL, as I'm sure you probably know. Taylor does not have that, by the way. I had to look it up, but interestingly enough, his stat line from that playoff start should look awfully familiar.... 11/30 180 yards 1TD and 1INT. Around here, there are guys who are ready to put a bust of you in Canton for putting up 180 and a TD. Let's also give JW credit for taking the wheel in a historic blizzard and leading the Bills to a win that will go down as one of the most memorable ever at the Ralph. At the end of the day though, he's not a good QB. He probably shouldn't ever take another snap. So yes, I will absolutely claim that after Tyrod's multiple abysmal performances this year, culminating with the 56'er he put up against NO... all options at QB became "viable", even Joe Webb. That's what happens when things get desperate.

A+ trolling right there. I actually respect this. Well done, my good man.

The point here is that literally anything is a viable alternative to Tyrod Taylor, the guy rolling the worst passing offense in football.