Yobogoya!

I think it goes without saying that a team can find a serviceable punter far easier than a franchise QB. Most of the people who are taking the "wait and see" stance right now are doing so because a man's life and reputation are at stake, not because we're concerned with punting the ball in 2022.

Honestly the most disturbing part of this thread for me is the notion that "he's just a punter" -- and of course, the implication thereof that if he were of a position more important to winning games, we could afford to weather the media storm until the truth came out or potentially even after. Just goes to show most people's moral high ground is directly proportional to how useful someone is to their needs. Funny how that works.

Honestly in this current age we live in that would probably be the smart thing to do, yes. In reality it will never happen, of course. But if I was a kid in college right now -- and especially if I was an athlete with a shot at turning pro -- man I struggle with willpower but I'd have to be thinking twice at every opportunity.

plaintiffs attorney has apparently been hounding them so pretty sure that’s not the case.

thats why I think there’s more to this story we haven’t heard. McD called him a good kid just this past week, I can’t imagine he’d say that if he thought the guy gang raped someone but who knows who had what information and when throughout this thing. We’ll see I guess.

Yeah whatever Araiza did or did not do, the police have been involved investigating since the day after the incident. If there’s enough evidence he did this crime, he’ll be facing criminal charges. That’s the bottom line.

we don’t know anything for a fact re: the phone call, just what has been alleged by plaintiff in the filing suit.

Buddy I'm about as objective as they come -- I don't care if you're the Bills punter or the fry cook at McDonalds, I give the benefit of the doubt until I get all the evidence and then I'll call it like I see it. And if you were being tried unfairly in the court of public opinion, yes I'd push back against that. Not for you -- but because I believe in the rights of the accused.

Well fine, but if I wasn't coming to your defense in the event you've ever accused of a heinous crime before then I'm DEFINITELY not doing it now.

Only two people? That's surprising. You seem like such a bastion of good will, high character and sound reason that people would be drawn towards.

He didn't say that line, she did. Also its important to note that the lawsuit did not have a full transcript of the phone call, just select lines and then "summaries" as provided by the plaintiff's dubious lawyer. I'm very interested how the exact call played out.

Um, with police assistance? You know, the investigators who presumably would have had that info. Kinda answered your own question there.

What you'd expect -- she couldn't remember much about who or how many attacked her. It was tough to read, I definitely wouldn't doubt that she was assaulted that night but in this case due to the alcohol and/or any drugs involved its highly unlikely the accuser will be able to give solid testimony about who attacked her. If Araiza was indeed the man she had sex with before the gang rape, she also couldn't recall anything other than his skin and hair color -- so she didn't know his name. That's why I said if the criminal investigation led back to the three named in the civil suit, it would have to have been because other people verified their identities. There's no way the victim named them.

Actually the physical evidence we've seen so far (victim's diary) shows exactly the opposite -- that we don't have any reason to believe the accuser named Araiza or any of the other men as the perpetrators of the assault. If the criminal investigation led to them, it almost certainly did so on the accounts of other witnesses at the party. And so far, I don't believe we've seen any direct and verified statements from those people published.

I guess I'd lose as much as I would if BIGFOOTspaceman was accused of a heinous, violent crime and lost his job and reputation near instantly. That is to say, it wouldn't affect me personally but I do in fact dislike the current mob mentality / twitter witch trial environment we live in and don't agree with it.

Her own diary entry that her lawyer posted on twitter contradicts almost all of those specifics.

More than just a sleaze. He texted Araiza before any charges or lawsuits had been filed. An opposing lawyer texted a defendant directly. You can't tell me that's SOP by any means.

Araiza's lawyer clearly needs to work on his PR skills, but the plaintiff's lawyer has a whole other set of screws loose. What a mess for both parties involved.

If the Bills felt strongly enough to keep him after their investigation, you simply have to believe they are privy to some important pieces of information we don't have yet. If nothing else, you can't tell me McD is the kind of guy who's going to share a locker room with someone he thinks is a gang rapist. It just doesn't jive with everything we know about the people running this ship up until now.

Yeah and he's not doing her case any favors. Releasing that diary entry is like... bruh, wtf are you thinking.

I mean I get it if your opinion is that any guy who has drunk sex with a girl at a college party is a dirt bag, I won't say that's not valid. But you'd probably have to jetison 80% of the Bills roster if not the league if you think most of these guys aren't guilty of that act.

It's not just the loss of income but the additional perception of guilt. If the people you work with and work for don't believe in you, that's big. They're usually the closest thing you got after family.

Was Araiza? I read the initial article and didn't see where he was accused of participating in the actual gang rape in the house bedroom, yet a lot of people seem to be making that statement in this gargantuan thread.

Just gimme a taste man, just a taste...

I had legit forgotten who their QB was, thanks for reminding me. 😅