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I pretty much agree. I'm not a great follower of draft prospects and prognosticators (I've only started paying attention to all the draft talk in the last two weeks or so), but I think most of the draft analysts don't see this draft as particularly good one for defensive players, particularly edge rushers. This draft is loaded with WR prospects, both in quality and quantity. It's seems much more likely that the Bills find a top WR in this draft on Day 1 than they find a top pass rusher in the first round.

It might be a internet glitch. If the "submit reply" button doesn't respond, if you hit submit again ... and again ... and again until it finally goes, the resulting post will have multiple copies of your original text in one large post. Been there, done that. Always check your posts ...

On the off chance that you are young person who is very new here and not a troll, I won't be crude or rude in my reply. However, there is another recent "trade Josh for Chicago's picks" thread -- along with its own poll. You should ask the moderators to combine this one with the earlier one.

If Belichick was willing to be the Bills assistant HC and/or defensive coordinator, I would be all for it. Dick LeBeau helped the Stillers win two Super Bowls (XL and XLIII) as a sort of HC emeritus with the title assistant HC/defensive coordinator. I think it's very unlikely that Belichick would consider such a position if the Bills offered it. I think he wants to be a HC in order to get the wins he needs to become the winningest HC.

I doubt you know what a "meh" roster is, dude. Check out some of these wonderful rosters from the Drought years: 2001 - 3-13 2003 - 6-10 2006 - 7-9 2008 - 7-9 2010 - 4-12 2011 - 6-10 2014 - 9-7 These rosters contained some outstanding players but most of the roster spots were occupied by players that had to improve significantly to make JAG level, especially on the lines.

While fire itself isn't an invention, the harnessing of fire for light, heat, and cooking food certainly was. It was the very first step on the road to civilization.

Actually both alternating and direct current produce electricity.

I would be good with giving up that for Thomas. I think that most analysts think Thomas will go in the teens. I'm not into the draft more than to have a very superficial knowledge of the prospects the Bills could be targeting in the first round, so I defer others on the rest of the Bills picks.

Belichick's career path was an outstanding DC who went on to become a great HC. I would love McDermott to follow that path. Belichick's failure to secure a new job after his NE stint ended, has more to do with his having total control in NE for 24 years and how he's perceived as relating to his players than to his being a primarily defensive HC. Most owners don't want a GM/HC although a few teams still use this model. They want a GM and HC to work together rather than competing for supremacy. I think that Belichick's perceived image is of a master manipulator and win-at-all-costs guy who doesn't tolerate mistakes, calls out anybody and everybody, etc. I don't know if that's a true image or not, but I think when fans think of Belichick, that's a lot of what they think. I think McDermott projects a much different image, one of a HC who cares for his players as people, is a patient teacher, is more encouraging coach than a disciplarian, and a HC who works well with others. Again, I don't know that that's an accurate image, either, but several media analysts have speculated that many owners are looking for HCAs who work well with today's players -- and that would be kinder, gentler guys than Belichick and more like McDermott.

Actually I think that Marshawn's failures in Buffalo were due to Dick Jauron's play to not lose by too much philosophy.

I'm undecided if you're trolling or if you simply refuse to admit, even to yourself, that you've said/wrote/posted something really stupid, so you have to defend that indefensible position to the death. Brandon Beane has better things to do than waste even a nanosecond on considering a trade offer for Josh Allen ... that's supposing that some other GM has wasted even a nanosecond thinking that the Bills would accept any offer for him.

This "epic" trade scenario is the stupidest idea that I've ever seen on TSW. The Biils won the NFL equivalent of a $500 million Powerball lottery in 2018. Trading away a generational QB talent in his prime makes absolutely no sense in the modern NFL with free agency and the salary cap forcing frequent player personnel turn over. How hard is it to find a truly great NFL QB? I bolded the first round QBs in the list below who I think are/were about equal with Josh Allen, which would be Rodgers and Mahomes. I used red for the 2 QBs who have had significant injuries that derailed or may derail their pro careers. Even if you include Luck and Burrow, the first round of 20 drafts have yielded only 5 what might be considered "generational QBs". That's less than 8% of the QBs taken in the first round. There were numerous franchise QBs who were very good and fewer who are/were close to great for a time, and a handful of likely HOFers. Rodgers, Mahomes and Allen, however, are on a level above any NFL QBs who have played in their prime in the 21st century except for Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. Here are 20 years of the 66 first round QBs in this century who have finished their rookies contracts: 2001 ... 1 ... Michael Vick 2002 ... 1 ... David Carr 3 ... Joey Harrington 2003 ... 1 ... Carson Palmer 7 ... Byron Leftwich 19 ... Kyle Boller 22 ... Rex Grossman 2004 ... 1 ... Eli Manning 4 ... Philip Rivers 11 ... Ben Roethlisberger 22 .. JP Losman 2005 ... 1 ... Alex Smith 24 ... Aaron Rodgers 32 ... Jason Campbell 2006 ... 3 ... Vince Young 10 ... Matt Leinart 11 ... Jay Cutler 2007 ... 1 ... JaMarcus Russell 22 ... Brady Quinn 2008 ... 3 ... Matt Ryan 18 ... Joe Flacco 2009 ... 1 ... Matthew Stafford 5 ... Mark Sanchez 17 ... Josh Freeman 2010 ... 1 ... Sam Bradford 25 ... Tim Tebow 2011 ... 1 ... Cam Newton 8 ... Jake Locker 10 ... Blaine Gabbert 12 ... Christian Ponder 2012 ... 1 ... Andrew Luck 2 ... Robert Griffin 8 ... Ryan Tannehill 22 ... Brandon Weeden 2013 ... 16 ... EJ Manuel 2014 ... 3 ... Blake Bortles 22 ... Johnny Manziel 32 ... Teddy Bridgewater 2015 ... 1 ... Jameis Winston 2 ... Marcus Mariota 2016 ... 1 ... Jared Goff 2 ... Carson Wentz 26 ... Paxton Lynch 2017 ... 2 ... Mitch Trubisky 10 ... Patrick Mahomes 12 ... Deshaun Watson 2018 ... 1 ... Baker Mayfield 3 ... Sam Darnold 7 ... Josh Allen 10 ... Josh Rosen 32 ... Lamar Jackson 2019 ... 1 ... Kyler Murray 6 ... Daniel Jones 15 ... Dwayne Haskins 2020 ... 1 ... Joe Burrow 5 ... Tua Tagovailoa 6 ... Justin Herbert 26 ... Jordan Love

The question about 2018 really is, would Beane have traded up to #7 if Allen was already gone? Usually those first round trades are finalized when a team is on the clock ... so that the team trading up knows their guy is available. I certainly hope that that was how Beane worked it to get Allen rather than just trading up to #7 on the hope that Allen would be available. Trading up without being sure that the player you want will be available seems a pretty stupid move.

Thanks for the enlightenment. I think that many of those conspiracy theories, though, rather quickly crossed over to real conspiracies because evidence that there was some truth to them was found. The Business Coup was discovered before it took place. President Kennedy nixed the CIA's terror plot they intended to blame on Cuba. The 1970s CIA assassination plots were discovered by Congress only a few years in.

I don't think you understand the difference between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory. If something illegal or sinister or unethical, occurs that's the result of two or more people planning it, that's a conspiracy. Conspiracies leave clues that remain available after the fact to investigators -- conspirators themselves, people that conspirators may have confided in or confessed to or who may have seen something/heard relevant to the conspiracy, forensic evidence, various paper or electronic records, surveillance film or photos, etc. Investigators may not be able to gather enough evidence to convict the conspirators in a court of law or it may take them many years to get enough evidence to do so, but there is always some evidence of the conspiracy very early on in any investigation. An example of a famous conspiracy in the US: Oklahoma City Bombing A conspiracy theory is an alleged conspiracy that's lacking with any substantial evidence that an a conspiracy exists. The supposed "evidence" that supports conspiracy theories is most often denial that a single individual could have carried out the action so there must be others involved. Another kind of "evidence" believers cite to support some conspiracy theories is pseudo-science or debunked science. Frequently supporters of conspiracy theories may cite coincidences or omissions or mistakes as "evidence" of a conspiracy by someone. Conspiracy theories linger for decades because no evidence ever comes to light, no matter how much rehashing of the facts. There are no death bed confessions from co-conspirators. No researchers working on other historical events about the same time never find some physical evidence that sheds new light on anything.

Name three conspiracy theories that have been around for a quarter of a century or more that have been proven true. I asked you this question before at the beginning of this thread and you never answered, so answer it now or you will prove that you are the one who is " not a serious person or you live in an echo chamber" -- and that you no respect others' view:

What conspiracy theories have been "proven correct"? After 60 years, there's as much proof that the CIA killed Kennedy as there is that the Cubans, Russians or Mafia killed him. John Wilkes Booth died in a barn in southern Virginia in April 1865. FDR didn't know about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor before it happened. Hitler didn't escape to South America. Astronauts landed on the moon several times. 9/11 wasn't "an inside job". Speculation, rumors, coincidences, debunked pseudo-scientific theories and outright lies do not constitute "proof". For years, the general assumption has been that Brett Favre was a douche because he wasn't particularly helpful to Rodgers when both were on the Packers. Now, Favre is no prize as a person but maybe it wasn't just Favre.

Let me guess, you're Russ Brandon's mom or RB himself. Amirite? I've never given out 2 vomit emojis to any poster until this thread.

How would a 5th or 6th round draft pick make the team "BETTER OVERALL"? The Bills are already "younger and cheaper". Furthermore, the Bills can't afford to trade Milano because of the cap hit. Dude, wake up and smell the coffee. The Bills have already gotten "younger and cheaper". They don't need to trade away one of their best defenders for next to nothing. This trade idea conjures up shades of the Bills back in the darkest days of the Drought when Russ Brandon traded future HOF LT Jason Peters for a pick at the bottom of the first round and a couple of years later traded away future All Pro RB Marshawn Lynch for a fourth rounder.

I think that most teams benefit from the "us against the world" mentality, but it can be especially helpful to talented teams that need to get more focus or have had some setbacks.

Obviously, you haven't paid attention to the Chiefs' road to their back-to-back Lombardis. With the salary cap, the only teams that don't have to regularly replace good/great expensive veterans with younger and/or less expensive players are those that don't have to pay a franchise QB. Looking objectively at the players the Bills released/traded/did not re-sign this season, only Diggs, Floyd, and Morse would qualify as "good/great players" that the Bills will miss. Hyde and Poyer weren't nearly as good last year as they had been in past seasons. Tre White has been a non-factor because of injury for more than 2 seasons. Gabe Davis was too inconsistent a WR for the Bills to pay him the $13 million a year. Moreover, during the Bills late season winning streak, it was younger players like Kinkaid and Shakir who took up the slack when Diggs and Davis just seemed to disappear. The OP's point was that "the sky isn't really falling" which is what one would think if one relied on the national media for all your Bills news. That's a reasonable opinion at this time, especially since the roster isn't nearly complete yet. It's entirely possible that the Bills find a replacement for Diggs, Floyd or Morse in the upcoming draft. If Beane hits a proverbial "home run" in the draft, the Bills could draft 2 or 3 guys who are significantly better than the players from 2023 roster from the get-go. Then there are players who will become available after June 1st when the Bills will have some money to sign FAs by then. Of course, you can continue to live under a dark cloud the rest of the spring and summer if that's you're thing.

^^^ From the mocks I've seen, it seems likely that 4 QBs and 6 OTs plus 1 TE go in the first round, all before #28. The top 3 WRs will be gone before long before #28, so these will account for about half the picks before #28. It seems to me that the Bills could very well stay put or trade up just a couple of spots and grab a really good WR. As the OP pointed out, numerous WR1s have come out of the bottom of the first and the second round. Just because a draftnik or pundit gives Player A a first round grade and Player B a second round grade means nothing. It's their opinions, and their livelihoods don't depend upon them getting the picks right -- just that their opinions draw viewers, clicks, interest etc. Moreover, taking a WR high in the first round doesn't guarantee success, even with a QB like Allen. I'd rather the Bills select a prospect in a different position if he's a better prospect than any of the WRs left, or even trade back some spots, rather than take a WR whom they're only lukewarm about just to take a WR in the first.

I'm in the segment of fans that think that the Bills need more difference makers, so I would consider a trade for Jefferson because he's definitely one. There's no guarantee that any WR we draft would develop into one ... or even be very good ... so I wouldn't trade much to move up in the draft to grab one. OTOH, I don't believe that a great WR is a necessity, so if the Bills can grab a prospective difference maker who is an IOLer or DB or DLer, I want them to go for it and take a WR later in the draft.

That's why I didn't vote. 😁

Because we could very well wind up with Corey Davis and Zay Jones. You trade for a young veteran because he's a known commodity. Agree. A great QB needs protection and weapons. The Bills have given Allen some weapons but he could always use more. I would be more inclined to trade for a veteran like Jefferson (if his contract can fit under the cap) than to trade significant draft capital to grab WR prospect. Too many high round WRs don't ever live up to their draft hype. We know what Jefferson can do.