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Find another dead horse to beat. This one's past putrid.

I'm with @rusty shackleford on the differences between Northtowns and Southtowns. I have family who live in both areas, so I frequent both. IMO, the only problem with the Southtowns is the heavy snow. The solution to snowblowing as you age is to hire somebody to clear your driveway and sidewalk (if you have one). You can find almost all of the same shopping and dining options in the Southtowns as you can north of Buffalo. The village of Hamburg is very walkable. The biggest problem with the Northtowns is the traffic. What good is having all kinds of options for shopping, dining, and entertainment within a 1-2 mile radius when it takes you 30-45 minutes to get there? Kenmore and Williamsville are both walkable villages, but you will still need to brave the traffic for most shopping and dining.

That's because TO ran his routes beyond the first down marker.

I think that the Bills wanted a big Red Zone target who could fight for balls, and Coleman seems a good fit for that role. The weaknesses that his critics keep bringing up -- his 40 yard speed and his difficulty getting separation -- are pretty inconsequential in the tight quarters inside the 20.

Cody Ford, drafted by the Bills in 2019 and considered a major bust by fans, was active in 16 games and started 9 for the Bengals in 2024, and I believe he has been re-signed by Cincinnati for 2025.

You really aren't trying very hard.

It was a facetious response to a poster whom I saw as posting another ignorant post with no basis in fact. That poster claimed Beane "didn't get it" because he kept drafting DLers and DBs while the Chiefs "got it" because they keep drafting WRs. That's nonsense. Beane keeps drafting DLers because he hasn't hit on a real stud yet, and he takes DBs because the modern NFL requires having 5 starter quality DBs ... 2 outside CBs, 1 slot CB, and 2 Safeties, plus he missed on Elam. Beane also traded a first and a fourth to get Diggs, so he obviously does understand the importance of WRs. Conversely, the Chiefs keep drafting WRs because they really haven't hit on one since they parted company with Tyreek. Rice had a good rookie campaign, but he only played 4 games in 2024 before getting injured, so he's still a question mark. The Chiefs have also been drafting OTs recently because they haven't had a lot of success at filling that hole, including using second round picks (IIRC) in both 2024 and 2025 on OTs. Both Beane and Veach "get it" in terms of the importance of various positions, but the draft is a crap shoot, and that's especially true where both teams have drafted in the past few years. The Bills gave up a first and a fourth to get Diggs. I think that qualifies as spending draft capital on "a speed WR early in the draft". I don't often agree with your takes, but you are dead on with both of these.

They obviously don't "get it" when it comes to the OL. They have drafted multiple OLers but have yet to find a good LT. Maybe if they had drafted an OT instead of Skyy Moore or Xavier Worthy, they don't get whipped by the Eagles in the last SB.

Are you saying that Metcalf has never dropped a pass?????? IMO, if the Bills could have stopped KC on any of their fourth quarter scoring drives, there would have been no need for late game heroics by the Bills offense in either of the last two years.

The Bills didn't want DK Metcalf enough to trade for him. Deal with it. Actually, the gauntlet drill focuses on a WR or TE's ability to focus on the ball while moving and changing direction. Receivers zig zag across the field while trying to catch balls from multiple sources. (I looked it up). Running 40 yards in a straight line doesn't really test acceleration and suddenness because receivers don't run all out in a straight line for that long in actual games unless they've already caught the ball and are heading for the end zone. It's only somewhat less useless than having linemen running 40 yards. If you want to measure acceleration and suddenness, then you want something with shorter straight line runs and changes of direction. The gauntlet drill seems to come closer to what a receiver might actually do in a game. Because Beane didn't draft him, he can't be used as "evidence" of why Beane is a failure.

This is just me, but I'd rather be "still somewhat deficient in our WR room" than be "somewhat deficent" on the offensive line or in the defensive backfield. I almost always give rookies and sophomores the benefit of the doubt, especially when they've missed time due to injuries, whether they play for the Bills or another teams. You can check out my posting history if you want. I did think Peterman was trash almost from the get-go, and there are probably a few others. The jump from college to the NFL is a big ask, and very few young players, even #1 picks, start out playing at a high level. FTR, my comment was aimed at the continuous whining by some posters about things that cannot be changed. The draft is a crap shoot. Even for first rounders, only a handful are going to become game changers, and some are going to be busts.

Another day, another thread where the "We're doomed because we don't have a great WR" fraternity beats the same dead horse.

My point is that talent is not necessarily the difference between "a very good team" and a "Super Bowl team". Talent, injuries and coaching are important factors, but so is luck, both good and bad. Most SB winners "catch lightning in a bottle" at least once in their road to a Lombardi.

The team with the most talent frequently doesn't win the Super Bowl -- or even get to the Super Bowl. Injuries derailed the Lions last season in the divisional round in the NFC. Turnovers in the divisional round and a dropped 2 point conversion by an All Pro TE put the Ravens on the sidelines for the AFC Championship.

It seems to be found in significantly higher frequency among NFL WRs than in the general population of NFL football players. 😁

NOTHING about winning a Super Bowl is ever guaranteed (ie, 100%), and almost every SB win has some element of "catching lightning in a bottle". The undefeated Patriots rolled into Super Bowl XLII against the Giants and were leading 14-10 with less than 2 minutes to play. David Tyree, a career JAG, caught an Eli Manning pass off his helmet to set up the winning score, AND the old Dolphin vets were able to pop the cork on their champagne. The Atlanta Falcons were up 28-3 in the middle of the third quarter of Super Bowl LI and lost the game 34-28 as the Pats got their act together and made a furious comeback to get the game to OT.

The Bills didn't lack the "offensive firepower to overwhelm the Chiefs". They lacked the defensive talent to stop the Chiefs. The Chiefs scored more points in the 2024 AFC Championship than they scored in any other game in 2024 because the Bills defense wasn't good enough to stop a team that averaged 22.6 points per game from scoring 29 points. As for creating "a Josh-centered team", what could be more "Josh-centered" than providing him with a strong offensive line plus an excellent running game. He's not running for his life and he can play "hero ball" strategically rather than out of necessity?

I have a Ryobi 20 inch battery operated mower that I bought last year to replace my 10/15 year old behemoth self propelled gas mower. Love the new little mower. I have a large lot but I use a rider on most of it. The walk behind mower is to do the front tree lawn (grassy area between the street and sidewalk), the grassy paths through the front and side yard flower beds, and to do clean up around the raised beds in the veggie garden. I can do it all on a single charge.

It was a move worthy of the Bills ex-GM/evil genius Russ Brandon, made to put butts in the seats and the suites with little regard of its impact on the team on the field. Hunter is a great talent, but the draft capital the Jags gave up to get him should only be spent on a franchise QB prospect, not a WR or a WR/part-time CB prospect.

I think it's part of their psyches. It's why some very fast young football players become WRs while other just as fast young football players become DBs. And it seems like the more talented a WR is, the more likely he is to have be a self-absorbed, spoiled diva.

This thread is supposed to be about how bad the Bills WRs are as a group. The last time I looked, Bowers isn't a WR, so he doesn't count. I want to see Mahomes/Lamar/Burrow and any other QB the Bills play on their way to a Lombardi sacked, hurried, and running for his life because his receivers struggle to beat our secondary, enabling our pass rushers to get home. If the Bills defense had held the Chiefs to their average points per game in the 2024 AFCCG (22.6), there would have been no need for any final drive heroics by the Bills offense. The pass rushers couldn't get to Mahomes because his receivers were beating our DBs almost from the get-go.

The allegations stem from incidents that occurred when Tucker was a young player, 10 plus years ago IIRC, years before Deshaun Watson entered the NFL.

I don't disagree that the Bills should draft WRs going forward, but I don't think that they should necessarily a) invest in superstar WRs via FA or trade b) prioritize WRs in the draft to the point that they use too many resources to move up (as I think the Jags did in trading to draft Hunter in this past draft) or pass on a much more likely to succeed prospect also at a position of need. The 2025 draft was not one for the Bills to grab another WR after they took one last season in the 2nd round, especially given that the Bills need to improve their defense coincided with a great draft for defensive players.

I think that you see the relationship between Beane and McDermott as much more adversarial than it probably is. Beane and McDermott are friends and their friendship goes back to their early days together at Carolina. I also think their philosophies on team building are very similar, too. I think that the use of "McBeane" by some posters isn't far off the mark in describing how the Bills select talent. They collaborate not compete.

Every QB, whether he's a unicorn or not, requires protection and targets. However, that protection and those targets don't necessarily have to be just OL and just WRs. Bills TEs and RBs block well, and both were integral parts of Brady's offense last season, and a big reason that the Bills were successful on offense in 2024. Cook breaking a long run is the equivalent of a WR catching a long pass. The same with Kincaid or Knox making crucial catches ... and frequently WRs, especially the all-world types that some are pining for ... are notoriously poor blockers. It's obvious that you are going to die on this hill of "we're doomed to lose in the playoffs because we don't have great WRs". That's your choice. I happen to believe that "defense wins championships" is a much higher hill, and it's always better to have the higher ground.