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Last season besides our opening day viewing party which we do outside we watched 5-6 more outside which was awesome. Put two flat screen 48 inchs outside and blasted the volume. I've found watching outside is a great experience with people and adds a nice little fall feeling too! Unfortunately being in Rochester, NY by November we had to curtail the outdoor activities due to weather, but were already set for a few out door games this year. And yea I have every TV on in the house so we know what happens including the one's upstairs so if you need to use the bathroom you can at least hear #thinking! .

So obviously if your not at the Ralph or the game what is your preferred environment to watch Bills games? For me I've found over the years I've grown to like watching the games with a group of people. I find it makes it more fun even if they are doing bad whether its at a house or a bar. Being at a bar with a lot of Bills fans when their winning seems to be unmatched in energy. I have twice been to the Bills Backers bar in DC (15 Titans comeback, 16 Rams win) and I couldn't believe how much fun it was there. That said we have a viewing party for the first away game every year with 40-50 people and that has been awesome same with just watching with 5-10 people outside in the backyard. Anyway I at least like watching I guess with a few people just because it makes it feel a little more lively and after that the setting can change.

Yea I try to read as many articles on other teams and then fan comments to get their sense. I get there point of not completely leaving their scheme that works, but like you said it was a miracle play and throw.

Smith out I think gives the Bills offense more a fighting chance where I'd say BAL is still favored but more like 55% to 45% as opposed to 60-65% where I would've put it with him healthy. And yea don't disagree on Humphrey he looked quite good.

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Schopp and Bulldog I have found to run stale. It's the same from both your not getting anything new or exciting with them. Their high point was a decade ago. I don't even listen anymore and back in the early 2010s I called in routinely and would always try to listen. Schopp on this one is correct though. Allen was decent to good at Wyoming, but just off his stats he would be a 2nd-3rd pick. His potential and talent is what got him drafted so high. Now yes if he would've been found by a power 5 school earlier he certainly would have more accolades and developed quicker but such is life.

Yea my understanding is by the end Pees was not liked. They said the ending of the Bengals week 17 disaster was par for the course all season. Ravens defense would be doing fine and aggressive...only for the fourth quarter Pees to call very vanilla and conservative plays that went against everything their defense was doing.

Haha pretty simple: Marrone factor: Bills fan ragged the hire, Jags fans got defensive and then once had success talked smack Dareus factor: read above ^ Playoff game: Buffalo invades and makes their fans look pathetic while the league glosses over Buffalo's devotion for their team Season Success: Anytime a team goes from doormat to cusp of SB teams fans tend to get very arrogant due to years of being down. Seattle fans became insufferable once Wilson and crew went on their run Overall I think there actually is a bit of a true rivalry between Jags and Buffalo. Buffalo is an NFL blueblood in terms of history (minus SB win) and fan devotion. Media like Jim Rome have said the league is better when we are successful so while we may not be GB or PIT we still are like the favorite cousin league wise. I mean sh*t look at the out pouring of support and respect given to the Bills with Jim Kelly. Jacksonville on the other hand has um... pools in their endzone, tarped off seating that only was removed in the playoffs, and probably their best known player Jalen Ramsay is devise to the point half the people love him and the other hate him. So yea I get that Jags fans probably get sick of jokes about the stadium, fan base, etc.. they have no true history its relatively mediocre. Add in that the Jags have beat us twice in the playoffs, Ramsey talking smack, they ended our 2004 chance for playoffs, defensive fans in Jax about their devotion, and now front runners because the team is good... yea there is some real blood.

Stuff like this is stupid and stop being a fan. Yes the drought is over they made the playoffs and lost to Jacksonville. It will say that forever in the history books. I despise when people play the shoulda coulda game on what happened during the season. You are your record and the result that followed. The Bills 1990 team shoulda been SB champs but they missed a FG plus a sh*t ton of other chances to close. Guess what history will say forever they lost regardless of circumstance and history will say the 2017-18 Buffalo Bills made the playoffs ending the drought. Sorry if your fantasy of the team going 11-5, winning the division, and being a true contender wasn't reached, but this was the team that did it. if you honestly can't enjoy what happened regardless of what it took just stop cheering for the Bills and join the Patriots bandwagon loser.

Truthfully I wish they kept him and Gaines. I like Davis but the chemistry between the secondary was pretty solid last year.

Hopefully I will not be around by 2087. I'd be a 99 and probably looking pretty rough, unless I could be some sort of Cyborg terminator mix. That would be freakin awesome

The All or Nothing series on Prime is superb and far better. They did the Rams and Cardinals before the Cowboys and they did the University of Michigan Football for the first college one.

I wish there were no cheerleaders period. It's stupid and outdated and this is even worse and more pathetic. I'd rather have those dogs catching Frisbee's during halftime or breaks; their farrr more entertaining and better to look at.

Yea pre-season W/L means not much to me I judge it by how the team looks and depending on the need that offseason the players themselves. I remember a bad pre season would be the 2014 Bills were the offense in the main pre season game against the Bucs got booed off the damn field at half time. That was bad. So far the offensive has looked better then expected and the defense did what I figured especially because they are showing 1% of their true plan. That works by me and Allen looks possibly more ready to go sooner which would be great..but if they don't rush him that's also fine.

Spygate changed everything. Up until then I could respect what they were doing while very much disliking them. That and the 2007 season with how arrogant they were every game made me utterly despised them. I was at 56-10.

Yea major bummer. I do graphic design work and some web design from time to time and it sucks to see something with the resources and potential like an NFL football team have such a subpar product.

So I understand your gripes and frustrations and will react to those in a second. BUT please please please remember NFL teams are moving away from doing training camps instead preferring to do it at the main training facility with limited fan access. I don't disagree on a lot of what you said but please remember that there could very possibly be a day when we don't get this access or you have to pay for it etc.. That would super duper suck. I have a kid on the way in January and can't wait in a few years to go to camp especailly living here in Rochester. It's free and a great first football experience then the chaos of a real game. That said: -Crowd/Autograph: You may have just went on a bad day crowd wise. When I went Thursday August 1st in the morning there was a crowd but I got Poyer's autograph after. Basically if you hang at a certain place (depending on the player granted) a lot of times it's easier to get an autograph. I know Allen stayed late and signed a lot for people. Eddie Yarborough and Harrison Phillips also were there and you easily could've got there's if you wanted it. But this was all not a ticketed practice. Ticketed practices I will say are a zoo and unfortunately a lot of adults could give two craps about a kids experience sadly. I have found to try and avoid those at this point because of the chaos and lack of respect to others. -Merchandise: 1000% agree. Back in the Marrone era you could by a ton of different stuff and they really had a nice diversified amount of gear. Now it is not only more expensive, but the gear is so basic it's like their not trying. I've been going to camp since 2009 and I have seen the shift with gear. I completely get your frustration. -Kids Setup: So the day we were there they had pony's for kids to ride where they use to do the Pass and Kick thing because it was Wild West theme'd day. Additionally they were giving out cowboy hats for fans. I actually thought the setup was better then previous for everyone, although I do agree the beer pong probably should've been elsewhere. Perhaps on non-theme day's they could utilize the area better with more kids stuff. -VIP: This I also agree with and is sad reality of the NFL now where it's corporate 100% of the time. The Bills like every team have made a concerted effort to the VIP crowd and at points its frustrating because a lot of the autograph stuff is now favored for them first and makes it very hard to get those players. I actually called about the VIP thing to see the cost and basically it's like $1000, doesn't include food or drink, and just gives you access to that area. Now if you can gather enough people that's not awful, but are you really wanting to spend even $50 at a free event because you might get a better autograph or picture? As a Rochester resident I sadly agree. Having camp here is awesome because of the energy it brings to the area for the team, but literally everyone is now doing practice in house and I just can't see this lasting. The real shame of it is the amount of fans here in Rochester who actually get the team for a bit rather then having to go to Buffalo for everything. Say what you want about R. Brandon but he did a great job giving us in Rochester opportunities to see the team and the feeling it was part of our region not just Buffalo. I am nervous if camp leaves that the interest won't be as high here but I could be wrong.

I know a few weeks ago someone had a thread about how the Bills website was pretty blah and all. Turns out it is that way for every team. Looks like the NFL forces all teams to use the same platform which is pure garbage.

He did too much good up until last year for me to buy this. I want to give him a year before I judge. But I get others apprehension at this point.

I picked the Chargers but I do think people are selling the Raiders short. Last year they were Super Bowl favorites etc.. blah blah but they still do have a strong offense. They are like the Cowboys if the defense does enough while the offense is rolling they can make noise. With that said I rank like this: 1. Chargers (Best roster, can they finally break through after so many disappointments?) 2. Raiders (I buy the offense and think last year was a blip. They can be a WC team IMO) 3. Chiefs (If Mahomes is real I think the offense can get them to 9-7. But the defense is too shaky the rest of the way) 4. Broncos (They have the hallmarks of a organization headed down all together. QB is most likely a one year wonder, defense is losing its glue, head coach made everything worse, and the ownership is turning into a cluster fight between family which never goes well. Denver has been consistently good forever but I think this could be the start of some long dark years like we saw)

There are very few bell cow RB's like Shady, Bell, or Zeke who take 90% of the carries. Teams do RB by committee and don't pay the position like they use to because a RB's shelf life is usually so short now. The other thing is not only with the league moving to be a passing league, but teams running 3, 4, even 5 WR formations teams have 2 to even 3 good-great WR's that share the ball there. I mean heck Brandin Cooks whose a pretty dang good WR himself with considered expendable enough to be traded twice and I think he is better the Michael Thomas. But with how WR's get paid and the fact you can get guys cheaper in the draft I would say even the WR position outside of your elite guys like ODB, Brown, AJ Green etc.. teams are only willing to pay a certain price. Basically with QB's now being valued more highly then ever teams are very budget conscious and forcing hard decisions on which players to spend on.

Much cheaper is a relative thing. The cost is around $500 million for Reno vs a new which could be the same potentially or in the $600-700 million range. Neither situation is cheap straight up. It's going to be a massive investment in either scenario and for the team, region, politicians, etc.. its a valid question to ask whether to rebuild or go new when the costs are massively different. The studies have been done on locations a few years ago. I get that your one of the fans which things are perfect and if for eternity things never changed for Bills stadium you would be fine with that. There however are many who are not that way and wayy more forces then just us fans at play that will dictate will the Bills play. If you don't think the city of Buffalo would love to take in the tax revenue that Orchard Park gets plus the general aura/prestige of having the team downtown your dead wrong. Doesn't mean there going back either, but the grand picture is massive.

I covered this in my thread a few months ago the link is here: The cost for a new stadium vs a renovation of the Ralph is very similar with the renovation cost nearing $500 million off recent estimates. For that price your pretty close to a new stadium if they choose to want one and its a valid thing to consider when that time especially considering how much the Pegula's have invested in downtown. What I said in no way reflects my personal opinion for or against a stadium it just simply is the numbers and what has been reported.

I prefer 2018 for RB, WR and 2017 for O-line. TE is a wash same group. QB is unknown at this point but I think they should have a bit more success now with Coleman and the scheme they are running. Zay Jones is frankly where he should've been before in the WR4 spot assuming he even makes the team. Cam Phillips has been sensational in camp and I'd put him over Zay at this point.

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