corta765

I never said that, but the team has only removed WR's and OL of talent and not brought any in for the QB. Yea they could wait another year to add talent like they have, but they need to give Allen help asap. You will not know what you have until the guy has some pieces to work with. I'd rather know by 2020 not 2022 because the Bills waited so dang long to put anything around him and we kept saying it's hard to judge what he has without a roster. This year very much looks like a 3-13 type year and expectations next year shouldn't be much higher even if they do add talent. But people keep acting in this prism that the Bills had to wait until 2019 FA or later same with the draft to add pieces on the offense which I don't understand. Would the Bills have been any worse off long term adding for example John Brown & Justin Pugh which would've given some true depth and talent at OL/WR? The offense has literally added one true piece of talent in the last 2 years with Kelvin Benjamin who looks over his head at WR1. Yes they have Shady and Clay also but they have bled talent for years at WR and this last year OL. That makes it incredibly difficult to judge Allen regardless of how well he plays and pushes the buck further down the road.

Everyone keeps saying we have all this money next year but have you seen the FA WR crop? It's very weak we were better off signing a guy this past offseason and going that route. Randall Cobb and Golden Tate are basically it and I would bet they resign with their current teams before hitting the market. Just because you clean the deck and gain space does not promise improvements on the renovation.

In fairness he did sign last season Poyer, Hyde, DiMarco, & Hauschka for lower $ deals like this and they all had a good addition to the team. BUT you can't gamble that every $ signing that is budget consensus like the one's you listed above would work out also. Would the Bills really have been worse off with $10 million less in capspace but a better OL and WR or CB? Sometimes I think GM's get too fancy of themselves that everything they touch is gold. If you look at even the Darby trade who would be for sure our #2 CB we went from Darby to Gaines to Davis. We basically gained a draft pick and older CB who is worse then the two CBs we let go. Not the best asset mgmt and had they kept Darby perhaps the money on Davis is used on OL or WR. I get its all semantics, but their is validity into asking some tough questions at this GM especially right now.

I don't think yesterday was a fluke. The team lacks talent and is directionless. I will say though that the defense while they did play pretty poor minus the LB corps go put in impossible positions thanks to the offense and turnovers. Consider: -The 51 yard punt return that immediately put the Ravens on our 20 yard line. 17-0 Ravens -Peterman INT that put the Ravens on the Bills 29. 20-0 Ravens -Special Teams blows an easy fumble recovery on the Punt and BAL goes up 26-0 -Bojorquez muffs the punt and the Ravens again have the ball in the Buffalo redzone. 33-0 -Peterman throws another INT and Carr takes it to the Bills 1 yard line. 40-0 Don't get me wrong a good defense limits these problems to FG's, but even if you don't include the failed fumble recovery the Ravens scored 27 pts due to turnovers and bad special teams that had them within our own 30 yard line. No defense has a shot in heck good or bad when that is what your dealing with as a defense. The defense if it had any shot needed some good field position to work with especially given it was a bad day as soon as it was 14-0. The defense may turn out to be OK long term, they have some talent, but I am nervous this is just a preview of many games where the defense is on the field a ton in bad field position with no opportunity to even try to stop the bleeding.

There is losing and being competitive. And then there is losing and being an utter disgrace. They were the latter. I was in the group that saw this as a flawed 4-6 win team, but at least figured the defense would look better. Instead everything looked awful, the team looked disinterested, the coaching staff was a train wreck, and faith in the process is legitimately questioned thanks to our GM's lack of moves to address the OL or WR. These are the kind of games that are red flags on a coach and open really tough and bad questions you don't want to ask but have to.

Agreed. I hadn't come into a season this low since 2010. Holes all over, at best maybe 6 wins which feels every more foolish now, an offense that lacks any identity, and overall just a team that is bridging this year so in 2019 they can make the moves they want. What makes things sooo much harder is the fact they weren't competitive at all and for a quite a few other games won't be. That's really hard on the eyes as opposed to competitive closer losses.

Over (6)- Bills wins 5.5 Under (6)- Allen starts 12 Under (1050)- McCoy rushing yards 1,150 Over (Benjamin 1029)- Leading receiver yards 750 Over (Benjamin 72)- Leading receiver catches 65 Over (18)- Total INTs 15 Under (4 tie between Poyer/Hyde/White)- Player with most INTs 4.5 Under (4 Hughes)- Player with most sacks 8.5 Under (Week 1)- 1st win week 4 Over (8th)- 1st 2019 draft pick number 6 Over (2 McCoy & Hyde)- Bills Pro Bowlers 1.5

Yep the list looks something like this: Baltimore, Denver, Seattle, Dallas, New York Giants, & Chicago. The way people will speak down on the Bills for any issue big or small, they will do the opposite for these teams in a positive way. Chicago is being talked about like their the new Rams despite playing in a division with probably the most complete team in the NFL (MIN) and best QB who single handily can win a Super Bowl by himself. But yea Trubisky is going to in one year make a jump to beat those guys.

Agreed. Remember that preseason in the 3rd game Buffalo stunk it up against Tampa Bay and everyone fretted the same way... and then they beat Chicago in a game everyone had them losing. Typically in situations where things are universally pointed toward one team the end result is far from that.

Agreed. Here is the Ravens record over the past 4 seasons: 2014 10-6, 2015 5-11, 2016 8-8, 2017 9-7 Overall Record: 32-32 Here is the Bills record over the past 4 seasons: 2014 9-7, 2015 8-8, 2016 7-9, 2017 9-7 Overall Record: 33-31 The national media lives off of Baltimore's previous accomplishment because they have won a Super Bowl in the past with Harbaugh and use to have an elite defense in the 2000s. The Bears get a similar praise the moment their relevant about their defense because in 1985 they were great even though it isn't the case. Now I do think the Ravens offense has improved a bit especially at WR, but Flacco hasn't been the same since his knee injury and even before that he never was great, just sometimes really good. I think they could win anywhere from 6 to 10 games, but they are far more mortal then what the media says. They lost to freakin Chicago at home last year and Trubisky threw like 10 yards that game.

The weather

No

20-17 Buffalo. Buffalo goes up 20-10 heading into the 4th quarter and holds on for a tight 20-17 win. On Monday the NFL is stunned at what occurred. Peterman- 235 yds 1 TD 1 INT McCoy- 76 yds 1 TD Benjamin- 96 yds 5 rec

Eh fans being fans. Over the years I have realized that Ravens fans in general are spoiled to a near Patriots level expectation wise. Even though the Bills and Ravens have both been .500 teams since 2014 their fans think wayyyy higher of themselves then us. Most of that is national media coverage. Baltimore did at some nice WR's and looked decent preseason. The Bills...well even though Peterman actually played excellent all preseason and seemed to grow while the team didnt play their top RB or a lot of their d-line starters are dominated solely by the narrative of Petermans 5 INTs last season and O-line issues. Not saying the Bills won't have issues on O line or that Peterman can't struggle, but its an easy narrative to run with nationally. This is the exact type of sleeper game people overlook where Buffalo is farrr closer then everyone nationally expects. Also Buffalo only got trounced twice last season (NOLA/LAC), the rest of the year they were highly competitive every game and I wouldn't expect much else.

Not saying this will happen but IF the Bills offense were to do well it be for something like this game-plan wise. -McCoy dominates working with an offensive line that isn't offensive to watch -KB performs like a #1 WR requiring double coverage at points opening a rejuvenated Zay in the slot -Clay and Croom create two tough matchups at TE that opens the middle of the field up -Peterman uses a 2-3 step drop to negate blitzing defenses and his quick decision making/accuracy everyone minus the sidelines does a nice Case Keenum 2017 impression This would be my best case scenario and IF it happened the offense is somewhere around 10th overall.

I would say my excitement for the Bills future and the NFL season is a 10. Bills season by comparison 5. Allen isn't starting (which is fine by me) so that takes off some of the fun, Edmunds is learning, a lot of young guys in general are finding the ropes, and in general this team is rebuilding pretty hard. Even when Allen starts I will be judging a lot more then just stats. Whereas last year you knew with Taylor and McCoy the offense could do enough to be a playoff team same with the defense plus McD was new etc... it was a blank canvas which always is a little more exciting.

No. You want to see Allen progress and give you hope that next year he can win 10 games. Honestly a 4-12 season means a better draft pick to keep building the arsenal. I just want to see the competitive and close while the young guys learn.

This was fun. And I love that you used @Dunkirk Don for the name example lol

He toast at this point too many misses and dropped passes

I don't disagree that I wouldn't start him but that would be more because of our teams issues then the Ravens. The Ravens are a 7-9 to 10-6 team. They have some nice pieces on D and some issues in other areas. Even if their offense turns to be better then it was, it'll take a few weeks and the NFL has shown the first 2 weeks of the NFL season mean not much in the grand scheme on what a team truly is.

Thursday, September 6 8:20 PM Atlanta Philadelphia Sunday, September 9 1:00 PM Pittsburgh Cleveland Cincinnati Indianapolis Tennessee Miami San Francisco Minnesota Houston New England Tampa Bay New Orleans Jacksonville New York G Buffalo Baltimore Sunday, September 9 4 PM games Kansas City Los Angeles C Seattle Denver Washington Arizona Dallas Carolina Sunday, September 9 8:20 PM Chicago Green Bay Monday, September 10 7 PM then 10:20 New York J Detroit Los Angeles R Oakland

Haha well last year: -Thought Goff was a bust -Thought Bills were a 3-4 win team and had no clue what they were doing -Thought Carson Wentz had potential but wasn't that great (major whoops) -Thought Cleveland would win 5-6 games and be on the upswing All wrong. I did get right that the Broncos would implode, Giants would sink a bit, and the Titans finally returning to the playoffs. This year I'm on record for saying: -This is worst NE offense since 2006 and they will only win 10-11 games and be a shell of what they've been flaming out in their first playoff game -Trubisky is not the Rams/Goff revival of last year and the Bears are a 6 win team at best -Seattle finishes imploding and drafts top 10 after winning 5 games -Houston is the best team in the AFC and will win the AFC -The 49ers are not for real yet due to lack of talent on team and will win at max 8 games to the shock of every San Fran loving media analyst -Luck healthy will get the Colts to a stunning 9 wins and playoffs Rip it apart boys haha

I WANT BOTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Exactly. My issue right now with Beane is he has allowed a hole that has been there for a while on the O-line to exist. It is very hard to fill that in the 11th hour and odds are any incoming replacement will be more a band aid not a full on solution. I get Richie leaving wasn't Beane's fault the same with Wood, but two pro bowl caliber players left and we literally replaced them with nothing. Perhaps Wyatt Teller is the real deal and can step in, but even IF he does he will have growing pains like any rookie.

Agreed. I end up like this: Happy with: QB's- Overall Allen has shown far more good then bad and Peterman looks serviceable enough as a starter to take the reigns week 1 which is a plus in my eyes RB's: Murphy and Ivory seem to be balancing each other great and pushing each other for the #2 spot Milano- He has been their best LB and seems to have taken this year in even better Run Defense- It seems to have been fixed at least as pre season has progressed No major issues until season starts to judge: Secondary- I don't think you are seeing any real scheme or true work at this point. It's more a matter of figuring out CB's 2-4 TE- The backups look better then Clay who has been shaky but lets see what happens come week 1 Offensive scheme- Shady hasn't played much, Dawkins they kept out, and in general no O coordinator shows their hand. I like some of what Dabol has done and at other times hated it but I'll wait til week 1. WR- They have shown not to be a problem and I think their is enough talent there to be content at this point Edmunds- The kid will have his bumps and has, but he also has progressed showing some good vision. He will need I think the first month to find his true sea legs but once he does look out. Concerned: Offensive Line- Listen I can buy not having Dawkins in as a reason for the problems yesterday, but week 2 against CLE he was in and they still stunk. Against the run they seem fine and Peterman has managed OK with them, but overall it looks really shaky and Beane would do well to try to trade or bring in an established guard. The O lines woes make me terrified to start Allen because I don't want him having to run for his life which it looks like he may have to do early on. Coaching- Yesterday's game angered me multiple times with coaching decisions. It's a freaking pre season game and this is a time to let your rookie make mistakes. They punt on 4th and 1 after not reviewing the play, they punt again on another 4th and five, on 2nd and 29 they run the ball, on 3rd and 29 they run the ball, multiple times they played ultra conservative. Listen I am not saying to have Allen throw deep either every play and I get trying to establish a ground game but it just felt so close to the chest that how are you suppose to elevate Allen regardless of line play when you won't let him have the ball. The 4th and 1 especially was awful because the kid made a great play to finally get something going and they neither challenged nor gave Allen a chance to do something. Guess what McD even if we fail on 4th down it doesn't matter because it's pre season. Hopefully this is just a blip on the radar, but ultra conservative will not win two years straight and he wasted a chance to give Allen some opportunities to sink or swim in a setting with no risk. Defensive line pressure- They really are not getting much pressure on QB's all pre season. Perhaps once the season starts and everyone is in for real it doesn't matter, but you would like to have seen more by now. Teams will be better at attacking our secondary after a year on film this year if we cannot manufacture more pressure.