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First thing I do when we sign someone is check his previous team's boards (as I'm sure many fans do). They really liked this guy. Nothing over the top, but it sounds like he's a gamer who will fit in well here.

Marino was a better pure passer than anyone who has ever played (imo). But he could not run or scramble.

Believe what? That QB's aren't necessarily measured by titles? Brady Mahomes Marino

THAT is a fair take. SB champions get talked about way more, because titles are a bigger part of NFL history. But that isn't as relevant to which QB's are actually better. I give Mahomes full props - but I just don't think he's significantly better than Allen. From my POV, I'd still take Allen over Mahomes. We still would have botched 13 seconds with Mahomes as our QB. Et al.

The bolded is....well, it's somethin'.

Still a team game. I don't agree w/ your characterizations, either. I actually think coaching is the most important aspect of winning a championship. Reid is the best, and the "Mahomes is way better because he has 3 titles" argument basically ends there for me. But it's not a savvy argument, regardless. In a team game like football, "x QB is better than y QB because of titles' is a poor take. Bradshaw had 4. Dilfer wasn't better than Marino. Many more examples.

Marino. Tarkenton, Fouts, Kelly - football, not surprisingly, is a team game.

Anyone seen a dropoff in how well he's playing? Allen brings it every week during the season. He doesn't need to elevate his play, though he'll likely continue to improve. The team around him needs to strive for his level of excellence.

But...less talented than what? Definitely less talented than last September. Probably more talented than the D we had in the playoffs.

I don't necessarily disagree - but if there is one area that this staff is great at coaching, and turning average players into starters, it's the secondary.

I was just thinking this. I've seen a few mocks recently that have us taking a DT in the first round. If we really did that, I probably would take a break from the board for a bit.

It's not outlandish. After our early injuries, we were squeaking by the entire season until the end. Could have easily missed the playoffs just as easily as getting the 2 seed, as most fans know.

True. Though ultimately, there is no way to know until they get on the field. Maybe a better word is "aspirational." But it's not deluded, or pure homer. We're likely to be a top 5 team in 2024, one of the top 3 seeds in the AFC, and better than we were in '23.

I don't think the idea that the Bills will be better in '24 is "indefensible." In fact, I agree w/ it.

It's okay for fans to hope. I'm not sure why that bothers other fans.

Honestly, the Pats have a better case for contending in '24. Most of their games were close in '23. The Jets were beaten handily in most of their games. They looked terrible. Getting AR back will turn them into a top contender? But neither of those teams are a threat. The AFC East is still Bills & Miami, and the Bills are better.

Man, I'm gonna miss Tre White. He has such a great attitude & work ethic. And when he was on top of his game, he was right there w/ the best in the league.

Weirdest offseason in ages, imo. Usually, there is a clear "champ" (or 2), but I don't think anyone has moved the needle significantly at this point. It just wasn't a great FA class to begin with.

It's interesting. You have spent a lot of time on here arguing that Mahomes doesn't have much of an advantage over Allen w/ their respective situations. But here, you're presenting the opposite of that.

I get that, and don't have too much of a problem w/ it. I'd probably allow for more of a grace period before getting too snarky w/ fans of a team that my team just beat AGAIN in the playoffs, on their way to ANOTHER Super Bowl win, when that team hadn't gotten there yet. Personally, my sensitivity is still a bit tender after that one, especially when I see Mahomes & Kelce anytime on turn on the TV these days. But not everyone has to be like me. And a lot of fans here are probably well over it by now. I'll probably be okay after the draft. Anyway, all good. I'll try to take your posts & emojis in the spirit of good rivalry talk instead of getting snippy. I might not always succeed.

See? We're not that far off. You said "all day, every day," or something to that effect. Not too far from "not even close." We both have our team-centric opinions. I disagree w/ your Rice/Kincaid comparison. Kincaid is going to be bigtime for the Bills, imo. You think Rice may be that for KC, but I'm not seeing it yet. That's just an unknown on both sides, and we can differ reasonably on that. I don't think your assessment of Rice is way off or anything, but I don't share it at the moment. I have more confidence that Kincaid will have a more productive career. Brown has better #'s, but I see Samuel as more versatile. He's more like Deebo, and he gets better separation - which the Bills sorely need. But I would have been very happy w/ Brown, too. The question originally was "would you trade this whole group for KC's whole group." I just wouldn't. If Kelce was 30, maybe. He's the clear star of that group, but he's getting old. Diggs is too, but he turns 31 this year, and Kelce turns 35.

We shouldn't panic. He could be: - At a sushi restaurant, where you can order "Chef's choice" - Ruminating about the uncertainty of this Presidential election year - Binging "GOT" and has no idea how they're going to wrap it up The possibilities are endless....

@Billl - this is a Bills board, and I'm gonna make pro-Bills posts. I could do without the laughing emojis when I go pro-Bills, on a Bills board. We have posters here who are very pro-Chiefs, so that should at least meet some minimum requirement you have for KC worship on opposing team's boards. And beyond that, I'm sure you can get a lot of pro-Chiefs stuff on, you know - Chiefs boards. Also, I'd be curious why that post was so uproarious. Do you think Rice will ever be as good as Diggs? You think Watson is better than Shakir? Right now - you wouldn't trade Kelce for Kincaid, looking toward the future?

Even if we stood pat right now, we'd be better at receiver heading into '24 than we were last season. What's cool about that is that we're not going to stand pat. This has potential to be the best WR corps of JA's career to this point.

Diggs when healthy is obviously way better than Rice. And Rice doesn't even have the body of work to show that he can be consistent. Personally, I'd rather have Samuel than Brown because of the more versatile skillset - but that one is about even. Shakir is better than Watson, and I'm gonna bet a young Kincaid just about matches an aging Kelce in the next 1-2 years. I certainly wouldn't trade the younger guy for Kelce at this point. So, it's not even close. No way would I trade our group for theirs. And we'll probably get a better guy in the draft also.