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I still think Kincaid makes a leap. We've seen the potential - he just hasn't put it all together yet. I expect Coleman to be much more of a contributor - he was looking great before his injury. Samuel isn't a star, but he played w/ turf toe all last year. Josh Palmer is a very good addition. Shakir is always reliable. I'm pretty certain that we'll see a better passing game this year. I'm just not worried about the offense. It feels like they always show up. This team needs a championship-caliber defense.

They're not throwaway - but some here are talking like we can still fill needs in the late rounds. Yes, some guys there CAN pan out - but generally, you're taking fliers on players that have upside and could surprise. These aren't rounds that you get any immediate starters in, generally speaking.

Well, it's not like a 6th rounder receiver would have turned the world upside down on offense or anything.

The Browns are getting mocked - but they did just get a guy that some thought they'd take in the top 5 in the 5th round.

Forrest & ideally, Bishop.

I know you're kidding here - but the Pats fear on this board isn't very rational, imo. It's more based on PTSD than on reality. Their future depends entirely on if Maye ends up being more of the guy that flashed on a few amazing plays last year, or on the guy who kept throwing game-ending picks on the last drive.

It's a 4th rounder. And the safety they got earlier was a major reach.

We don't have a lot of top-end talent in that unit, but I still think it's a pretty deep WR corps. With the TE's and RB's we have also, our offense will still be formidable. I still expect us to take someone, though. Shakir was a 5th rounder; you never know when it comes to WR's.

Our draft is getting a lot of praise so far - but the praise I've seen for this pick is off the charts. Seems like most had him going much higher than this.

Rapp & Hamlin are likely to be our backups.

We might really have a championship defense this season. Really, the one thing that has held us back.

Yeah - this is a good draft. I feel like the O will average close to 30 a game regardless. We need a top tier defense to get over the hump.

Dune 2 also.

I'm years away from losing any sleep about the Jets.

I think that's kind of the same as questioning the pick yesterday, because Elam didn't work out. I just don't quite get the mindset on draft weekend from some fans. If a pick is a true reach or something, I'd kind of get it - or if a trade is wildly lopsided or unnecessary (i.e. the trade for Sammy Watkins). But this is a pick where the guy was picked around where people thought he'd go, and we got a pretty fair trade to get him.

Why would I do that? Sounds like it takes some effort. I don't know anything - like everyone else here. I'd prefer to let things play out and criticize a pick after it turns out that they are worthy of criticism. Which isn't anytime before they play a down of professional football.

I'm not sure slamming a pick before he even plays a down is a winning argument either.

I wish it would be a good thing if I gained 10 pounds.

I see a lot of praise for his intelligence & leadership. Definitely a pattern for this regime - which I don't mind.

Scouts watch hundreds of hours of film, and spend every day of the years breathing this stuff. Most here look at some mocks a few weeks before the draft, and maybe catch some youtube clips.

Reasons? I thought DT was logical enough at this spot.

Must be a guy Beane loves. I don't care if we gave up more than we should have if it's someone very good.

Too much hype for the Pats on this board. Maye was way overhyped last year, imo. He showed some real flashes - but there is a mile between than & being a consistent starter.

Gotta say - I feel pretty great about our secondary. A lot depends on Bishop right now, but it's a better unit than last year overall. Wouldn't be surprised if we get a safety in the next pick or 2 just for insurance.

His entire reaction after the pick was made - from walking through that tunnel to the interview - was simply amazing to watch. It wasn't that long ago players didn't get that excited when getting picked by the Bills. Cool to see where we are now.