transplantbillsfan

I don't hate that at all. See, here you go again thinking you know how I feel about everything. What I actually hate are people who talk in absolutes about things they absolutely don't know, like the motives of people or precisely what is "coachspeak" or "sugarcoating" vs what people are saying truthfully. I don't care if you think that's why Taylor took the money because it's possible. But it's also possible that the words that came out of the mouths of said parties are true, as well.

Think away... feel free. You can be Sherlock Holmes and try to deduce motive from all parties involved, just don't pretend it's the obvious truth when all it really is is a guess... maybe an educated guess, but nothing more than that. Based on guy-on-message-board... Dude... go look back at some of the crap you've been saying holding Taylor accountable for the 3rd down % of the team on plays where McCoy or Gillislee are running the football... It's jaw-dropping lunacy... I can't even believe some of the stuff you've been saying in the last few pages like how no one is saying Taylor sucks just a few posts after FireChan said "TT sucked" in reference to 2016. What's funny is that all of you that use the term "CoT" have an even more disturbing cult-like blindness and mob mentality. It's just getting ugly...

God what a tangled web we weave... The Chargers and Saints better move on from Rivers and Brees since they missed the playoffs multiple years in a row. Oh wait... that's just dumb... just like this whole line of thinking...

Do you know what "one thing is for certain" means?

Ummm... the value is that you have a QB doing his part at that particular aspect of the game, which many consider very important. This twisting and turning of this whole argument from you folks in terms of what a QB is and is not responsible for or should or should not get credit for is really bizarre and inconsistent.

This says a lot about you...

Wow, what an idiotic post. So I guess John Harbaugh and Tom Coughlin and Pete Carroll aren't good enough because they don't have elite QBs. So stupid. *EVASIVE MANEUVERS!!!!* You could just admit you were wrong, ya know. Why do people have such a problem doing that?

He was the 20th out of 32 in 2016. What was he in 2015? McDermott has publicly stated recently that the reason he kept Taylor was specifically because he fit in really well with the offense they would be running... so, ummm... no

Are you arguing that the team wasn't successful enough on 3rd down so Taylor's slightly better numbers don't mean anything because he plays a role with the rest of the team? And if that is what you're arguing (and I can't tell), then wouldn't you also agree that Taylor was a big reason our offense last year was so successful, despite being at the bottom of the league in terms of passing offense? I honestly can't keep track anymore of who's who in these arguments, but if you claim what you claimed above, then it only makes sense that you also give Taylor a lot of credit for how successful our offense as a whole was and I'd assume you aren't one of those guys saying Taylor just rode on everyone else's backs...

Ummmm... actually.... FC said exactly that... But go back to your narrative where you think my argument is that he's going to be our Franchise QB and be in the HOF... you guys just need someone to rag on, apparently.

Fair enough

No, he was not simply "worse across the board." It's gross exaggerations like that that are just frustrating and lead posters like John to saying there's "Taylor hate." In reality, I don't think John was referring to people hating Taylor the person, more people being "haters," which is very different and more about blind bias and a lack of any objectivity whatsoever. Of course, I could be wrong... But no, he wasn't "worse across the board." For one, he was significantly better in 2016 in the red zone: 2015- 17/31, 90 yards, 6 TDs, 1 INT. Passer Rating of 86.4 2016- 30/50, 240 yards, 11 TDs, 0 INTs. Passer Rating of 111.7 Also, Taylor's passer rating with less than 2 minutes remaining in the half still noticeably improved from 2015 (61.0) to 2016 (85.2). That's a significant improvement. And with 66 passes in 2016 and 53 in 2015, you can't call it a small sample size. Also, in 2015 he was at the bottom of the league with a 37.2% conversion % those 3rd down passes converting for 1st down. In 2016, he improved to 14th in the NFL and improved by more than 3% to 41.5%. Those are 3 aspects of Quarterbacking most people would consider pretty important and Taylor improved noticeably in all 3 phases, so again, implying that Taylor just sucked and was lucky that the rest of the team made up for him sucking just isn't right.

That chart is one I see people reference. I'm sorry, but it's really hard to trust those kinds of charts. I remember 2 drops from the New England game alone that were pretty clearly plays the WR simply should have made, but didn't: 2-5-BUF 12(3:59) (Shotgun) 5-T.Taylor pass incomplete short left to 85-C.Clay. Through receiver's hands at BUF 15, crossing from middle. 2-24-BUF 30(11:10) (Shotgun) 5-T.Taylor pass incomplete deep left to 85-C.Clay (32-D.McCourty) [91-J.Collins]. Receiver and coverage at NE 49. Both of those were from the 2nd New England game. That was also the game where Brandon Tate had the clear and obvious drop on the medium range throw along the right sideline; that one was actually charted as a drop. One guy I only found out about last year was a guy named Cian Fahey who worked for Football Outsiders for a while and creates his own QB catalogue every year. He actually charts accurate vs. inaccurate throws for every single NFL QB and even has categories called "failed receptions" and "created receptions." Obviously these would be human eyes watching every single snap from every single NFL QB, but I think it'll be interesting to see some more qualitative comparative data when it comes to some of these QB & WR discussions.

I actually agree with you about the offense. It was better under Lynn than Roman mainly because it was more about ball control and moving the chains. Roman's offense had this "all-or-nothing" mentality that got really frustrating. When a team has a 3rd and medium down and the play-design is a shot to the end zone on a relatively consistent basis, something is wrong. Lynn actually focused on moving the chains and keeping the offense on the field, which was really reflected in the team's 3 and out % and TOP under Lynn (with Taylor) for those 13 games. Taylor was underwhelming in 2016 compared to 2015, but he actually was an important part of why Lynn's offense was successful in that respect, at least. In 2015 Taylor was near the bottom of the league in terms of 3rd down conversion % on passes on 3rd down while in 2016 he was in the top half of the league. He was also significantly better at executing in the red zone after helping to keep those extended drives alive with those 3rd down conversions. And again Taylor was a reason the team scored more, ran more plays per drive, scored more points per drive, had more yards per drive, had less 3 and outs per drive, and had a higher score percentage. Saying "TT sucked, Everyone else played great" is incredibly misleading... and wrong.

Loosely translated: "I, Thurman#1, am one of those level people. You, John, and those like you who believe Taylor could improve can go on believing what you like, but we 'level-people' are justified in belittling you and your delusional opinions while you can't touch my opinion, because I'm almost certainly right, as I nearly always am."

It's really not a stretch. Our WRs were underwhelming in a lot of ways, including dropping very easy NFL catches. In the Steelers game alone, Woods and Sammy dropped what should have been 3rd down conversions, but were instead drive killing drops on 2 separate drives in the 1st half. Sammy's was ruled a catch but challenged because it was clearly the incorrect call... and even Sammy knew as he went back to the huddle shaking his head. Clay also dropped a pass that was tipped slightly at the line, but ended up right in his hands and should have been a catch. All 3 of those passes were the types of passes John was referring to. I have still images of all 3 of those dropped passes if you want to describe how to upload JPEGs off my computer, otherwise, you can go check yourself or just take my word for it.

Sorry, but nope. If it's true that the Millennial generation began in 1980, I was born in 81 so I'm right at the beginning. All my best friends and roommates in college were big Apple guys so they had all the latest technologies. I refused to own a cell phone until I needed one in 2003 when I started looking for a real job. I honestly learned what many were through my students... FML is one I never would have figured out and I wish I didn't know.

Ahhhh... Rojah! Learn something new every day...

Oooohhhh!!! You're jfh!!! Wow... these damn kids with their twitter talk acronyms! I guess it's sad that I'm a millennial (I think) and I never have a clue what these acronyms are. Took me forever to figure out what SMH is. Still don't have a clue what FWIW is and I seem to see it here a lot.

I wish I knew what jfh was...

And he sat on the bench most of his rookie year. And injuries derailed a couple other seasons. And he was a clear backup due to age and injuries for several seasons at the end of his career. And if you count those partial seasons as well, he didn't always suck as you're implying. Or do you just have a short memory? Or can't use Google? How many were remotely close to full seasons?

This... by far... As to the question, Clements x 1000. Clements was much better as a Bill. He wasn't as successful when he left, but he was better than Gilmore as a Buffalo Bill.

Don't worry muffin... I get it

Oh the irony... Yes, apparently you're allowed respond to a question with another question, but I'm not... Too funny...

Do you think the Bills would have been wise to give any indication whatsoever that they were planning on picking up the option if there were a chance they could get him cheaper?