transplantbillsfan

Weird logic... so the key to fixing all of our woes is simply passing more? Does it matter if we're significantly less efficient in the run game? Or if we turn the ball over significantly more? Or, for that matter, end up with a defense that gets worse rather than better? You really believe it's possible that the fact that we didn't pass more was what kept us out of the playoffs... despite the fact that we averaged 1 less pass per game than the #1 seed in the NFC? I was hoping when reading this OP that it'd be more about offensive philosophy, instead it's just a vastly generalized anTy thread...

That Cross on your back must be insanely heavy! I feel like you block things out from your vision when you read it. I'm not guilt free and never said I was. I just don't strike first. You were posting in this thread for several pages. I never once responded to you or mentioned your name. Then you post: Case and point. You can leave or you can talk about the topic at hand rather than constantly derail it. Up to you

It's Dr. Jekyll you're talking to right now. Mr Hyde will inevitably be around. Unfortunately, Dr Jekyll doesn't have a clue about what he does as Mr Hyde... I said those things after you had just insulted me. That's what you always do Sweet!!! Starting when?

Do you feel left out? GROUP HUUUUG!!!!!

I A week away from this thread and not even a remotely recent dialogue between the two of us and, without any prompting from me or even a post by me, you go with this. One example of how you haven't really changed... Maybe you're the one who's got it hard for someone... Is that it? Bang and i professed our love, you feel left out? Oh Crusher, don't worry, I'm not a one man kinda guy

80% on the QB? Not a chance. Someone earlier mentioned making this fun and wagering. Wanna bet the Bills have more than 1 win by the 5th game?

Can I be Larry?

It's not about TD throws, it's about what he does (and does not do) on those TD throws (which are readily available and easily found samples of his 2016 passes) that completely contradict the central premise of the post I originally responded to from you. 8 out of his 10 TD passes under pressure were from the pocket. Even if that ends up a little high, it's a pretty good indication of what he did under pressure in 2016. Really not a good look...

Dude, I won't pretend to be innocent, but you pretty clearly like to start $H!+ and use much more vitriol ("clowns and fools," "transplant's got it hard for Taylor," etc) than almost anyone else. Stop pretending you should be viewed as a martyr

You've put time in for research? Doubtful. Crusher, you started a single thread on BBMB that contained some pretty solid research to discuss. I defended you when that thread closed down because I thought it was unfair and ridiculous. That's the kind of Crusher I hoped to see over here with a brand new fresh start. Unfortunately, that thread was an outlier for you. I don't need to go figure out the throws because nothing is going to convince you to acknowledge any level of promise from Taylor in terms of the QB position as you want it played. You believe that you're somehow showing objectivity when you acknowledge strengths like "a great deep ball" or "elite athleticism" or "a great runner," except you aren't because you choose pretty much inarguably his universal strengths. But you get those 17 throws to look at (did you even bother going and watching the throws you?) and pretty much acknowledge that he does what you think he doesn't do well on those throws and now need to see the rest of the throws and get numbers for how many were outside of the pocket rather than in the pocket...? Crusher, you must be desperate.

Bang... you and I just had a discussion about what you called something "petty" by me yesterday. Here you're being dismissive of Shaw for pointing something out that actually seems like a natural thought: You're asking how Taylor would have done with Fitz's WRs, so it sure seems like a point of at least questionable comparison. I'm really not trying to pick a fight here... and maybe you're just having some Internet fun... but just be wary of the way you point your finger... I heart you so much

Very. Solid. Post.

Hooray for 300 yard games as the measure to end all measures!!! Let's all just hope Taylor doesn't come out with another "We're ready" video the night before our week 1 game against the Jets I don't need to do that at all. Nice try, though. The TD passes and interceptions themselves, for that matter, demonstrate that these numbers are incorporating passes in the pocket as well as outside the pocket from Taylor. And just from watching his TDs and INTs alone, you can see that Taylor's tendency was actually to stay in the pocket and deliver the ball even with pressure coming. There were absolutely passes and plays where he evaded pressure and left the pocket and then delivered the ball, like his 2nd TD pass in the Jets game, but then there were those passes where he stood tall in the pocket with a defender (often) barreling directly at him in full sight and he delivered, like his TD pass to Goodwin in the 1st 'Phins game. And you just watch the TDs and INTs he threw and you can see that Taylor had no problems in the pocket in the midst of pressure. You're just in extreme denial if you're calling for every single pass at this point.

I think Foxx has been having a little fun to some degree taking on this Persona... I hope at least...

These Training Camp discussions are gonna be fun

And from Joe B, today: 1) Tyrod Taylor has his sharpest day yet - Through six workouts that the media has been able to view during the spring offseason sessions, the best day weve seen from starting quarterback Tyrod Taylor was saved for the last day of school, so to speak. Taylor started off slowly with an interception, but after that, he was as sharp as could be. He was hitting his receivers in stride, sensing the pressure of the defense to find the bust in coverage, and firing the ball into his targets. This was a good sign for Taylor, especially considering that the other five workouts weve seen has featured him really playing at an average to below average level and that can be attributed to a number of different things, too. Hes working in a brand new offense, hes working with receivers he hadnt met before a couple of months ago, and a host of other issues, too. Now, he can pocket a great performance on the final day of minicamp and will look to continue that into the start of training camp. For the Bills to be at all competitive this year, theyll need Taylor healthy and to be playing at a similar level to last year at least. Maybe things have changed, he's just gotta readjust to a new offense, again.

Yeah, he was absolutely underwhelming without pressure, true. But the problem with your qualifier in the 2nd paragraph is your assumption that it's his passing out of the pocket that boosts him up... directly from the article: Tyrod was 64 of 143 (44.7%) for 996 yards (6.96 yards per attempt) with 10 TDs and four INTs while under pressure in 2016. Now I'm not presuming to figure out every single pass they've recorded, but according to PFF, 10 of his TDs were under pressure. Now go to YouTube and count how many of his 17 TD passes he left the pocket for. I think you're going to be surprised (dare I even say encouraged?) at the fraction of his TD passes alone he actually left the pocket. If that's any indication of the rest of the throws they counted, the entire premise of what you say here is missing the mark.

Aww... you want to join for Bocce and beer, too? Just bring Heineken.

Back to discussion of the relative topic at hand entitled: Tyrod Taylor had 7th-best QB rating while under pressure in 2016 https://www.google.com/amp/www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2017/6/14/15802026/tyrod-taylor-buffalo-bills-7th-best-qb-rating-while-under-pressure-in-2016 And here's Trappasso's conclusion (he's clearly a Tyrod homer ): The combination of these advanced statistics helps to dispel the notion that Tyrod is ineffective in the face of pressure because he morphs into a running back in those situations.

Thanks! I needed that... I mean my life revolves around these Internet victories We're still on for bocce and beers later, right?

I don't think I've changed much, and Crusher sure as hell hasn't changed me. I'm not being petty and think I'm being pretty direct, which is exactly the opposite of passive aggressive. You're trying to make this personal for some reason. If you can't even acknowledge there's some level of hypocrisy in your line of thinking I guess that's fine. You're a poster I respect even though we often disagree, You're making something personal by calling me names when there's no need to. I've been proven wrong... even hypocritical in the past. When someone points it out, I'll own it and admit it. Or I'll explain myself if I think it's necessary. You're just perpetuating personal attacks by insulting me, instead.

Oh boy... we're already starting with these practice reports... Well... might as well give you a counter: http://www.wgr550.com/articles/bills-wrap-hyper-competitive-minicamp-next-stop-training-camp —The offense had a much better day throwing the football overall, especially in the red zone. Multiple TD passes were thrown by Tyrod Taylor in the red area while the starters were going against one another. Good to end strong going into a 6 week hiatus and end on a high note

Do you mean beating good teams consistently or ever? If consistently, okay. If ever, he's beaten good teams as a starter. The team (with him at QB) beat the playoff bound Texans last year and the 3-0 Patriots who shut out a playoff bound team 10 days earlier (3 days extra rest and prep for the greatest coaching mind in history) with exactly the same QB at the helm as the Bills would go on to shut them out. I get that absolutely everyone wants to pile on that Patriots game being without Brady, but that was still a pretty darn good team. I'm not trying to be petty, I'm fine with "what if" conversations... and I guess you are, too. But only when they suit you. A bit hypocritical. I really don't care. I just think it's funny, coming from you... And less than 10 pages later you do this. Just entertaining...

Sure sounds like "what if he has more interceptions, but he also..." But okay... Sure, I can agree, if more interceptions come in the process of significantly more production from him and more wins, I think we'd all embrace it. But there are people who talk about him needing to throw more interceptions because it would somehow indicate his mindset has changed and he's a better QB.

It absolutely won't happen every game. My issue is that these individual criteria are just arbitrary. I've already pointed out how Rodgers is 2-39 in his entire career in 4th quarter comebacks vs. winning teams in the NFL. Yet, by that criteria you've set forth, Rodgers isn't good enough. I know that's not what you actually think. Of course we all know Rodgers is the better QB. But QB is such an intricate and complex position that when you get one thing fixed it seems another issue pops up.