transplantbillsfan

It's a longer shot than Taylor just playing better than 2016 and earning another longer term renegotiated deal. A much longer shot.

Yes. We should expect a 5th round draft pick to take the job away from Taylor. Drafting Peterman in the 5th really puts Taylor on notice. Too funny...

So really you're making the argument already...

How long until we see the arguments that Peterman is going to become the Bills starter at some point before the end of the season?

There... it's a name people know and were actually talking about in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. And it's a QB. Now everyone happy?

Wow... talk about a meltdown...

I'm sorry, but at what point will reality befriend some Bills fans? And that's not me saying QB isn't the most important position. And that's not me saying Taylor has proven he's our long term answer, yet. That's me saying... well... figure out the reality of the state of this team at the moment...

What was so great about Gillislee or Woods that they can't be replaced and even upgraded on still? Isn't Dalvin Cook still on the board at RB?

This should be a pick loved by every Bills fan on both sides of the QB fence. For the "Tyrod is our QB (at least now)" fans: This pick solidifies the fact that Tyrod is Buffalo's starting QB in 2017 and demonstrates a "here are the keys to the car, let's see what you can do" attitude by McDermott for the 2017 season. If Tyrod and the Bills exceed expectations and Taylor plays better than 2016 and more to the level of or better than 2015 and the Bills make the playoffs, don't expect Buffalo to draft a QB in round 1 again next year, despite 2 first round picks because Taylor might get another renegotiated deal and a longer term, more secure one in the offseason. BUT For the Tyrod dissenters: This trade down affords Buffalo the unique opportunity in 2018 in a (supposedly... like always) strong QB class to either draft a QB high because we sucked in 2017 and have a very high pick (which I don't think will happen) or we have the opportunity to use that 2nd 1st rounder (and likely compensatory picks considering our FA losses this year) to trade up for Darnold or another QB we like. Plus, we got an extra 3rd round draft class in a clearly deep draft class where there are a good number of extremely talented players on the board. Win on all sides! Except for KC... who SEVERELY overdrafted a QB.

Says guy on message board about guy who coaches in the NFL for a living... Terry? Is that you?

Thurm, you're like a parrot that responds at certain signals calling out the same songs despite the fact that they've been disproven time and again, but saying them, anyway. Taylor progressed in 2016 from 2015 in terms of both volume but especially efficiency at those throws over the middle of the field, including particularly the intermediate section. We've already established time and time and time and time again that the deep middle section of the field is and was never a big concern because it's not an area of the field the vast majority of NFL QBs go to very often. Despite your theories about the deep section of the field, the vast majority of NFL QBs, including the really good ones, throw the ball disproportionately to the sidelines more than they do to the middle of the field 20+ yards.

He's forced to take a QB at 10 now...? Funny, that's not what I got out of it. Thursday will be interesting...

I'm not spinning anything. Our passing game wasn't great and it wasn't good. But I don't know if you're being purposefully hyperbolic using the word "abysmal" or not.

There's really nothing that can sway anyone. You folks are clearly dug in on passing yards and passing attempts as the ultimate indictment on Taylor. If we can't convince you passing yards and passing attempts aren't as critical as you think they are (after the total number of passing attempts per game goes above a reasonable number... like 20 or 25), then why bother on either side?

If you define the passing game solely in terms of volume, which apparently a number of posters here do, then yeah, Buffalo's passing game was at the bottom of the league. Is that really how a passing game should be defined, though? Look at passing attempts and passing yards and then pass judgment...?

Yeah... that's why the very first game Lynn coached against Arizona he called 8 passing plays and 2 running plays in the first 10 plays (1 of those running plays being a designed run by Taylor) and 13 passing plays and 7 running plays in the first 20 plays (with 2 of those 7 runs being designed runs by Taylor) and the 2nd game he coached in Foxborough was clearly a pass-centric offense with Taylor passing the ball 39 times and getting his first victory when passing more than 30 times. Yeah... Lynn's goal was totally to keep the ball out of Tyrod's hands as a passer.

Not all that much more than Taylor is... No "pure pocket passer" will have a completion % as low as Newton consistently does...

What?! C'mon man... no he doesn't, and no he isn't.

As PolishDave kinda referenced, you're probably never going to like Taylor because he's never ever going to be Brady or Rivers or Brees. There's always going to be a component of escape ability and improvisation to his game. ​But the thing is, Aaron Rodgers has proven that even if those components are big parts of your game, you can still be great. No, I'm not saying Taylor is at Rodgers's level or ever will be. I'm saying that you (and others) have in your mind a QB mold that Taylor will absolutely never be, even if he becomes great (which he isn't). Taylor was actually hitting WRs over the middle more consistently (and effectively) in 2016 than 2015. But you say he has to be "INCREDIBLY" consistent. Seems like something he could never achieve. Or if he became "INCREDIBLY" consistent, the bar goes up to "SUPER DUPER INCREDIBLY" consistent. Taylor's not the "pure pocket passer" some want. It doesn't mean a QB with his playing style and skill set can't be great (and again, no, I'm not saying he's great or will be).

Dude... this is the 2nd time in one page you're bringing up a guy who played at an NFL MVP level for a few years and an NFL HOFer... It's ludacrous. You're talking about a guy who was absolutely atrocious and has never even played at a high level. Taylor has a much better chance of doing what you're talking about because Dennison's system certainly seems right for him; and even there I don't think the chances are high.

He needs a jump in consistency more than anything. He doesn't need a huge jump in what he can do and has done on the field. He just needs to do what he's done well more consistently.

Wait... Tyrod doesn't throw well on the run? Seriously? I expect part of the reason Dennison wanted to keep Taylor was because much of his offense is predicated on bootlegs and rollouts with QBs who throw on the run. And Taylor is excellent throwing on the run. Taylor can throw from the pocket, too. Where is the evidence a QB going into his 3rd year as a starter is stuck where he is and can't get better? I know some of you like to point at his time on the bench in Baltimore as somehow putting him really far ahead of the game, but it ignores what Taylor was when he came out of Virginia Tech and the human component that every single NFL player isn't at the exact same point of development from the time they are drafted to the end of year one to the end of year two to the end of... It's just bizarre to label Taylor as a "QB going into his 7th year" in the overarching way that statement connotes a level of experience Taylor must have... as though Taylor has as much NFL experience under his belt as Cam Newton, who was drafted the same year.

Nicely stated. If Tyrod lasts in this league as an NFL starter there's always going to be an element of escape ability he's going to rely on. But I expect him to improve as a passer in the process and rely more and more on his arm and less on his legs, though not abandoning them. This is why I asked for a definition of "pure pocket passer." You point to Russell Wilson, I think Aaron Rodgers is another example that breaks that construct...

Can someone define "pure pocket passer" for me, please?