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Crusher, you read what you want to read, plain and simple. You discount anything negative I've ever said about Taylor, and I've said negative things, including saying countless times over the last 4 or 5 months that I don't think Taylor is the Bills long term answer at QB anymore but is, instead, a good momentary placeholder until the team finds its long term answer. That's what I've been saying because that's what I feel. That's What I Feel I feel it. I think it. But guess what, just because I feel and think that right now, I might change my mind in 2017 if Taylor plays really well. I have that right because there's more football to see with Taylor in a Bills uniform. You seem to view people who change their minds with derision. Frankly, it's a real character flaw if you're so stubborn you completely ignore reality and refuse to change your mind just because you held so steadfast to it for so long. There's no one with a clearer agenda than you and your horrid cult. You're aim is derision, plain and simple. It's a sad, sad agenda. You've publicly stated how excited you'd be to start slamming all pro-Tyrod posters. You diagnose away, but you're bad at it, so try keeping it to yourself, please. Read your post I responded to. Don't be a hypocrite. I know you have the mental capacity to compartmentalize arguments even if you're too stubborn and arrogant to actually do it. Well, that's what you guys are resembling. "Holy cow!" is right. You guys are pretty frightening in the way you're driven by your prejudiced mob mentality...

Actually I think Newton would be more likely to get those odds. Newton seeks contact all the time while Taylor is elusive and evades it. I don't care how big Newton is, he can't keep taking hits the way he has been for the start of his career and expect to last another 10 years.

Wow Crusher, I realize that you have this innate desire to find a way to belittle people, but making stuff up and creating this alternate reality where everyone believes what you think they believe rather than what they actually tell you believe is just bizarre and pathetic. A couple pages ago people criticized me for being annoyed with people who post opinions as facts by stating that because it's a message board, the fact that it's an opinion is implicit. That may be true, but posters like you, who post stupid (*gasp*... yes, I'm using the word "stupid" here, because you telling me how I think or feel is stupid) posts like this and especially the one before it implying that you somehow know me and it gives you every right to belittle me based on what you think I think rather than what I've said is just ridiculous. You and anyone who uses the phrase "CoT" (which you so disturbingly and quickly embraced) are the worst form of cult on this message board... you might as well put on sheets, pointy white hats, and carry around ropes with a Neuss at the end. What's in bold says it all. Yeah, you don't discount that... that's probably how he improved his game from when he was drafted so he could win the starting job in Buffalo. But has he been under the tutelage of a very good coaching staff or QB for the last 2 years?

Yeah... tell me exactly what I think and feel Crusher. I really don't know my own thoughts or feelings...

They don't put it out as belief, they put it out as fact. The phrase "I believe" and even the premise of that phrase is missing from too many posts, like the one I responded to.

No, I'm calling the idea that anyone can definitively say a player is all he is and nothing more when there are still games he's going to play in a Bills uniform stupid. Taylor might keep regressing in terms of his overall game and be out of the league or a backup in a couple of years. Or He might be the Bills starting QB who has improved and helped the team to the playoffs in a couple of years. The topic doesn't get to me. People who speak in absolutes about something they absolutely don't know do. I believe he will improve? I've said that? When? I wish people didn't just make stuff up.

No, I'm sorry, this is wrong. If this logic were correct, Kirk Cousins played enough to demonstrate over his first 3 1/2 seasons to demonstrate that he cannot be the long term answer at QB for anyone. Rich Gannon never would have resembled a Franchise QB late in his career. Taylor certainly isn't the guy who looks like the long term answer right now, but he has more games to play in a Bills uniform and if you think players can't and don't improve on their game, you're stupid. Sorry to be blunt. Not an insult. Truth.

Luck IS Overrated. I can judge him as overrated because Andrew Luck was touted universally as the best prospect to come out of the draft since John Elway. He was going to be the Lebron James of the NFL in terms of championships ("Not one, not two, not three, not four...") and in terms of production as the most "pro-ready guy" coming out. He was going to be, undoubtedly, a 1st ballot HOFer. And what he's been, based on those expectations that were set forth by EVERYONE is disappointing. That doesn't mean I wouldn't want him over Taylor, it means there was a stupidly high bar set for him and there are a lot of prognosticators and "experts" who would never admit that, which is why you have rankings like these that are all about his potential rather than his play. Exactly

Dude, WTF are you talking about?! Me saying "Luck is overrated" does NOT equal me saying "Luck is better than Taylor." Don't be a simple minded poster... you're better than this...

Don't hurt yourself... You mean 28 starts, right?

I'm pretty sure you've accused me in recent months of being a Taylor homer or believing he's our long term answer or whatever, whether it was at BBMB or here, I don't know. If I'm mistaken, I'm sorry. You've definitely belittled my feelings on Taylor, though. And yes, the Miami game did something to bring me back a little, though not back to where I was after 2015.

As always, speaking in absolutes as you mistakenly do...

No one is arguing that Taylor is the long term answer at QB. I'm not, though I bet there are several (including you, Bangarang) who thinks that is what I'm arguing. However, unlike the unwavering belief that many posters have that they have to "stick to their guns" and dig into their foxholes, I think Taylor still could be the long term answer.

Yeah I'm not disagreeing there and obviously my rankings are as subjective as anyone else's, but for me, those guys are better based on what they've done on the field. I'm sick of all this talk of Luck and his potential. Yeah, he has a ton of potential... doesn't mean he's going to achieve it.

You reading comprehension = BAD... When did I ever say Luck isn't good? Wow... you got all of that outta 2 words, huh? Too funny how much people make interpretive leaps on what other people think and feel... but I guess it's to be expected... First of all, you made the claim, you direct me to a link... but it's a baseless claim so obviously you won't find one... Secondly... Where do I rank Luck? What did that list have him at? 6? Right now, QBs I put ahead of Luck include (in no particular order and just spitting these off the top of my head) Brees, Brady, Ryan, Wilson, Rodgers, Rivers, Big Ben, and Newton. Those are guys who I'd have ahead of him, so I guess I'd say if Luck were around #10, that'd be more reasonable. Too funny... Wait, are people debating Luck vs. Taylor? This message board is a like a bad game of Telephone... except because it's all actually typed out, you can go back and read the posts and... ya know... not post something stupid like saying that people are arguing that Taylor is better than Luck when absolutely no one is arguing that. I think you've actually had too much Kool-Aid yourself. Call poison control first and then go see a neurologist to see if the brain damage is irreversible...

Yes... YARDS!!!!

Taylor at #21... sounds right. NFL starter, but not a top tier guy. They do? Link? Luck is the most overrated QB in the NFL today. It's ridiculous the slack that guy has been given after having been touted "the greatest prospect since Peyton Manning." No, I'm not saying Luck is a bad QB, I'm saying he's not a great QB, and certainly not an Elite QB. He might be one some day and he'll be given countless opportunities because of where he was drafted in the same way Sam Bradford has been given countless opportunities, but Andrew Luck is really just an above average NFL QB based on what he's done in the NFL. I can't wait for the responses to that one... Yeah, Matt Cassel's 1 snap against Indy in 2015 really blew those Colts out of the water!

But you don't want to talk about Taylor because you're bored, remember?

Still posting I see... I thought you might, at the very least, be a man of your word. Oh well...

Well, I agree that arguing with you at any point is fail, but mainly because things will either go over your head or you're too stubborn to consider that you might be wrong. It's like arguing with a rock. And why are you bringing up a personal attack full of emotions when responding to me? I wasn't attacking you personally or being emotional at all. The Cheetos and Red Bull thing wasn't a joke. That's what you sound like. Maybe you need to get it together yourself. Or do what you actually said you were going to do and walk away. I thought this was a bore to you? Or did you forget you said that in your adolescent ADHD state?

Is it way funnier because what I just said hits a little too close to home for you?

Why are you bringing politics into a sports message board? And if you have to quit and this is a bore, quit. But we all know you're a bunch of hot air. I'm new to this message board and even I know you'll just say this and not actually walk away... Ya know, you talk about everyone else getting emotional when it's pretty clear the whiny way you constantly post your one of the emotional posters on this message board. You post like a pimple-faced 12 year old sitting in front of his computer at 2:30 AM with a bag of Cheetos and a can of Red Bull. You might take that personally because you seem pretty emotional, but it's not meant to be personal, simply an observation.

Is that the game where over 100 yards were lost on dropped passes on well thrown balls from Taylor?

The year Mariota came out I wanted to trade up for him.

Oh absolutely, but not based on who I am, just because my arguments are stronger