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*sigh* I'm not missing anything, Thurm. I read it all. Did you read the article? http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/quarterbacks-and-pressure-2016 Today, we are looking at our charting results for quarterbacks and pressure for the 2016 regular season. These are always some of the most cited and noteworthy numbers in Football Outsiders Almanac (the 2017 edition will be available in July!). This data primarily comes from Sports Information Solutions charting, although we also have access to ESPN Stats & Information data and we use that to check against the SIS data. Pressure will always have a subjective element to it, but we feel that comparing the two sources has led to a more accurate measurement. They didn't just "add in scrambles." They factored in only passing plays where the QBs faced pressure. That's different. You said, "I'm worried about Tyrod's pass game, not his run game," when, in fact, these numbers factor in both. And considering how how Taylor's passer rating is under pressure, if it doesn't change anything for you, you should at least understand what it says before deciding that it changes nothing for you.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/quarterbacks-and-pressure-2016 Instead, this rating represents team offensive DVOA with this quarterback either passing (including sacks) or scrambling. Ummm... what? This icreased DVOA (and he jumps all the way up to #2, so far from an insignificant jump) doesn't only consider his scrambles (as you imply in your utterly dismissive attitude), it considers passing, sacks, AND scrambles...

Clearly that's simply not the way some people operate Hap, I'm sorry for being a part of potentially derailing this thread. It's interesting and new stuff and worth at least a discussion. Exactly! Talk about a handful who lack any restraint. Sorry... I can't resist, but DUDE!!!!! How many times are you gonna say you're going to stop posting on this subject only to keep posting on the subject?!?! Yeah a buncha douchebags flooded the thread starting **** just hurling insults rather than remotely talking about the subject. Why shouldn't there always be a thread on page 1 to discuss the starting QB of our favorite football team?

Yeah I'm happy you posted that... it provides some validity at least to when I broke down Taylor's scrambles as separate from his designed runs. Looks like our OL was a big issue Whatever happened to you being done with all the Tyrod discussion? It's pretty dumb to not examine the Seattle game or 2nd Miami game this year as positives and proof a Taylor led team is capable of doing serious damage against good teams. It's like you're incapable of saying anything positive. Instead, you resort to "pantsed" as your go-to... How old are you? You keep jumping into these threads and saying you're done with this discussion, without prompting by anyone. Dude, are you bipolar? Clearly you're the one who needs Dr. Phil

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and two posts later... How many times in this thread alone are you going to say you're done with the subject only to come right back into the discussion you just said you were going to leave? You just can't quit us, can you?

Whoa... good stuff! Glad you started this, Hap! Thanks

Wow, no problem dishing it out but just can't take it, huh? You keep implying you're done with these conversations and then you keep coming back.

Wanna make a fun wager? I say the Bills get to at least 8 wins.

If you aren't interested in the "if" game, why are you here? That's literally all there is to discuss in the offseason, whether it's past or future "ifs." And if you're so tired of seeing a dead horse beaten, do yourself a favor and just ignore the conversations

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-hc-mcdermott-impressed-with-tyrod-taylors-leadership/ Taylor’s passer rating in 2016 when under pressure of 80.1 was seventh best among qualifying quarterbacks, while his 10 touchdowns thrown in those circumstances was tied for third. ​And anyone wondering who the 2 QBs ahead of him are, it's Aaron Rodgers with 12 TDs and Andrew Luck with 11. Russell Wilson also threw 10 TDs under pressure.

Boy, you're just a bitter bundle of middle school, aren't you?

The offense was a lot more efficient with Taylor/Lynn, too. Buffalo's 3 & out % and TOP (both areas of huge complaint for some) both go from bottom of the barrel to middle of the pack if you're only looking at the Taylor/Lynn combo. You mad, brah?

Why do you need to randomly take away from other teams if you're doing it on a per game basis? If there are other teams that had similar changes in offensive play callers that'd make sense comparatively, but who are those teams?

So I think all this stuff is worth a look. It's pretty darn interesting. So the Bills had 46 sacks, but Taylor was sacked 42 times. EJ was sacked 3 times and Jones was sacked once. The offense converted one of those sacks on EJ for a 1st down. So, Taylor's offense was 12/42 (still 28.6%) in converting 1st downs for a sack. But 16 of his 42 sacks were on 3rd down, which are plays I think it'd be hard to call "drive-killers" in the manner some people use that phrase.

Hap, we're nubes so I understand the hesitation for making a new thread for something like this, but I actually think this link and the 2 articles in the "study" it references actually deserves it's own thread. There are going to be a couple of the (*ahem*) usual suspects who criticize the Tyrod homers for coming out in full force, but I don't think this is a study anyone has really seen or discussed. I'm still digesting some of it myself. I'll come back here to comment on it if you haven't started a separate thread. Thanks! Intriguing stuff

Yes. Calling someone a tightwad is bashing him. It's an inflammatory statement. If you really can't see that, I think the next logical question would be: have you graduated High School, yet? There were plenty of other ways to say what you said. Instead, you chose to go the middle-school route throwing out playground insults.

Dude... look at your 2nd and especially your 3rd posts in your own thread from page 1: You're calling yourself one of the worst posters on the board

Yeah, and that's a big part of the problem here. Taylor was missing his top WRs in his not-so-deep WR corps more than most teams. Woods and Sammy missed a combined 11 games in 2016. Only the Jets and Chargers had their #1 and #2 WRs miss more games than Sammy and Woods. 2 other teams missed their #1 and #2 WRs 11 games like Buffalo: Tampa Bay and Chicago. None of those teams made the playoffs. By contrast, the 8 teams with the fewest games missed by their WRs all made the playoffs: Detroit (1) NYG (2) Houston (2) New England (4) 5 if you take Edleman, Amendola, and Hogan as a group Atlanta (4) Green Bay (4) Dallas (4) Kansas City (4)​

You're giving a single example that isn't representative of most of his scrambles. QBs passing for 7.9 YPA are passing with great efficiency... you get that, right? 14 scrambles by Taylor were actually on 3rd down. 7 were converted. 50% conversion rate for a QB is pretty darn good. Taylor also scored 4 TDs scrambling on passing plays. These plays aren't the throwaway plays you insist they are. This just wreaks of someone who's ill-informed. Also... You and a couple other posters are being just flat out mean and rotten. You're directly insulting people who are bringing in different sides to the argument. Did you start this thread to discuss the topic or insult people?

Good idea to consider special teams here. I know Thurm mentioned Buffalo's average starting position vs the opponent average field position. http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/returning/sort/puntReturnYards/position/defense Looks like Buffalo's kick return special teams coverage was particularly horrible... 3rd worst in the league Again... nicely stated. Special teams has really been let off the hook in a lot of ways.

Why do people care about this so much? Yards are yards. Points are points. Taylor scrambled for more yards per scramble (7.9) than the vast majority of NFL QBs passed per attempt.

Nice reality check on the whole picture of the passing game. The Bills actually had about 35 passing plays called per game with Taylor at QB. But just under 3 of those plays per game he was sacked for about 4.6 yards per sack and just over 3 of those plays per game he scrambled for 7.9 yards per scramble.

I think it's more about balance of blame between the two than pinning it all on one side, though some posters seem to want to do that. Our defense was record breakingly bad by allowing Ajayi two 200 yard rushing games and Bell another one. 3 losses out of the 5 that really mattered since the last game was a throwaway game. No excuses for that. The D was about as close as almost entirely responsible as you can get in the NFL for the Bengals win. Might have caught a break with one of the best WRs getting injured early. And they were good in the Patriots game against a 3rd stringer, other than that, they were decent to below average to horrid. Yeah, our passing offense needs to get better, but it'd be great to have a D opponents (especially RBs) don't salivate facing.

What? Do you have anything at all to back this up? I actually think he'd thrive in play action; Roman/Lynn just didn't use it often in their system.