transplantbillsfan

Yes, height's a problem. Deeper drops might help. Maybe Dennison is going to make him move around within the pocket more rather than bootlegging outside the pocket.

I heard the interview on the Ryan Ruscillo show with the guy who wrote it. It seriously sounds like there are severe issues in that locker room in general.

What I think is interesting about those numbers in the article in particular is that there's something for both sides of the Taylor camp to agree on... On one side, Taylor breaks the pocket too often; and although some of those were warranted, others weren't. He did this at the highest percentage in the league at about 1% more than Aaron Rodgers, the next highest guy. On the other side, if Taylor can work on staying in the pocket a bit longer or a bit more, he's a pretty good pocket passer. That's really what I've seen in Taylor, too. Hopefully Dennison is really working with him on this.

I'm trying to abide by the generally frowned upon practice of starting any new QB threads, but I think people might be interested in this article posted a couple hours ago: Taylor's % of dropbacks where he broke the pocket and his numbers in and out of the pocket https://www.google.com/amp/www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2017/5/25/15689906/tyrod-taylor-buffalo-bills-in-pocket-passing-statistics

Well said. Pretty well captures how I feel this went down

Solid post. Pretty much the way I feel on the subject, too.

It's personal to call someone a hypocrite when they're being a hypocrite? Being a hypocrite is pretty easily, objectively, and clearly defined. It's not like calling someone an "idiot" or a "douchebag." He was clearly being a hypocrite. You have a weird definition of things "getting personal." Are you upset because I used the word "friggin?"

Where was I name calling? I don't think I've made this personal in any manner. I've just been talking about the issue and expressing my views. I think you're confusing pointing out incredible fallacies or ironies as a "personal attack," when it's nothing of the sort.

Wow... 2 days this thread was dying and you decide to bump it with this? Seems weird to me... almost like you want to keep this discussion going Not heated. Just hilarious how hypocritical some of the most adamantly and vocally critical posters are.

Nope, just pointing out pretty simple irony. An argument can't be right in one instance and wrong in another when it's the exact same argument. Continue with your vapid posts though.

Funny that "he said it, was he lying?" is an argument when it works but otherwise, it's "coach speak." MMQB: Is Buffalos quarterback of the future on the roster now? McDermott: He is, in Tyrod Taylor. http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/15/buffalo-bills-sean-mcdermott-brandon-beane-nfl-peter-king?xid=socialflow_twitter_si

Yeah... darn fancy stats... only thing that matters for QBs are Wins and Losses!!!

Dude, was this even necessary...? Don't watch it, then. Why be so disrespectful? Anything can happen, but sounds like Taylor's the QB this year barring injury based on what we're hearing from McDermott, Dennison, and the players. So in reality Taylor's already been handed the job in that it's his to lose. Isn't that the case with most QBs? He's been handed the job but it's possible for him to lose it. Not all that different from most NFL QBs out there. Strongly disagree. Ball placement isn't really a problem for Taylor. It's anticipation and trusting his WRs he needs to get better at. But when he decides to throw a ball to a certain spot it gets to that spot more often than not.

In perception, yes I think he does. No one really talks about the Patriots D being the critical factor in that Super Bowl win or how awful Brady was for much of the game. It's what Brady did at the end to help them win that matters.

Before I click on this article and read it, I'm going to apologize in advance for what this thread will almost certainly devolve into. I hope I'm wrong. I'll be out all night so I'll check when I get back:

Find whatever you want unreasonable. When you accuse someone of being delusional, you're asking for exactly what this thread thread turned into.

Such a friggin hypocrite. "Stop talking about this subject so much! It's spamming and grounds for an infraction!" "They gone... ?" "Man, those guys are delusional idiots and here's why... again"

I'm not going to respond, but posts like this is why I keep posting on the subject. It's a thoughtful post. But one with which I disagree in some parts, and those parts are the ones that are presented in a condescending manner. Why has this thread continued and why have I continued posting on the subject? Because I'm not a buffoon and posts like this paint me as one because of my opinion, which you disagree with so strongly you decide to paint the likes of me and John as idiots because we disagree. And you can't call me a hypocrite in this case because I've said time and time again that I understand your position because it's reasonable, but I disagree. And I've explained why. Reasonably. And still you paint us as idiots. That's why this conversation keeps going. It's not spamming. It's because we aren't the idiots you paint us as and our position even on this subject you disagree with is not idiotic. And you're part of keeping this going, too.

You say bottom tier, I think he's closer to the middle than the bottom tier. But even saying Taylor is a top 15-20 QB somehow puts you in the stupid CoT that some whacko over here came up with. And I'll say again, I think he's earned 1 more season before a final and relatively accurate evaluation of what he is. 29 starts with a ton of instability in those starts between changing OCs, a revolving door at WR, an often porous OL, HC issues, and a defense that wasn't very good.

And if you think Tyrod is a capable NFL starting QB who could use a little more time to be better evaluated you're not only a Tyrod homer, but suddenly you're placed into a cult. Even dumber. Roman's offense wasn't designed around timing routes. Pretty well documented with that not only in Buffalo but also in SF with Kaep and Alex Smith. It was the offensive system more than anything, though you could see that Lynn tried implementing those things more. Yeah, that's why you saw that when he took over the Bills started implementing more of those timing routes. But even though Anthony Lynn's preferred offense is a WCO, he was calling plays out of Roman's playbook, which wasn't predicated on those routes. Lucky for us we get to find out this year because that's pretty much what it seems Dennison is expecting out of him

Thanks poop face

What? Are you denying that Lynn and especially Roman didn't have much playcalling with those short timing routes designed to get the ball out quickly for that YAC you so desperately crave? I thought that was pretty obvious. Or if you're questioning whether Dennison will do it more, apparently he said he would on WGR today http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/194093-rick-dennison-interview-on-wgr/

100% spot on! Historically going waaaaaay back if you look up Super Bowl winners those teams are usually in the top 10 of at least one of 2 critical defensive stats: yards allowed and/or points allowed. And this year was no exception. Brady was pretty awful for more than half of that game against Atlanta and has a great defensive performance and a miracle catch by Edleman to thank for getting back on track to his HOF self.

Yeah, it's not being dismissed. It's just perceived as a less difficult throw than those 30+ yard throws and, therefore, given less value. According to Dennison, we should be seeing a lot more of those short timing patters with YAC built into the offense for Taylor, anyway. I don't think Taylor has a problem running that kind offense and making those throws, our offenses under Roman and Lynn didn't call them much, though Lynn definitely called them more than Roman once he took over.

Well said, but some folks are going to chime in that you're dead wrong... and I'll bet you can guess which glass those folks have in front of them