transplantbillsfan

So you think that if Sammy plays a full 16 games healthy and the Bills have a top 10 defense with Taylor they're likely to miss the playoffs...? Hell they almost made the playoffs under that exact scenario with EJ Manuel and Kyle Orton at the helm.

Sure, it could be argued that way, true. But it's not like Sammy Watkins was some well-established vet in the NFL who's proven he can be an Elite WR. I love the guy's talent, but he's been massively underwhelming in the NFL based on expectations. Still, it's notable that Sammy has split time almost exactly evenly between Taylor and the combo of Orton/Jones/Manuel with 19 games under Taylor (1 of those being a 1 catch 1st quarter injury in Miami in 2015 and out) and 18 under those other guys. 1398 yards, 73.6 yards per game, 17.5 yards per catch 1061 yards, 58.9 yards per game, 14.5 yards per catch ​And sure, you could argue EJ and Jones really skew those numbers, and they do because Sammy did better with Orton. But he still only averaged 65 yards per game... 8 yards less than Taylor. The point is not that Taylor is great or those guys are great measures. They point is you talk about Sammy as though he's some well established superstar... as though Sammy obviously was much more critical to Taylor's success than vice versa and I think it's awfully presumptuous to say that.

Why are you being such a baby? I've limited my Tyrod discussion mainly to this thread alone, which is one of 2 threads I've started on the subject of Tyrod. You literally post all the same types of posts all the time that are full of complete hot air opinion. I'm fine with your position on the subject, but why do you jump into discussion if you don't even try to have a reasonable, intelligent discussion? Mike Rodak's a douche... just putting that out there

Sammy played 19 total games with Taylor... and he was injured for a good number of them. Despite that, in those 19 games, Sammy racked up 1400 yards despite leaving after his very first catch in the 1st Miami game last year and playing nearly half his other games injured. If Sammy is traded, it's because we can get something for him and he's an injury waiting to happen or not even fully healed.

Flirting... aww shucks, and here I thought we were already an item...

It could be, sure. But you make it seem like it obviously is when it isn't. All those explanations you replied to are reasonable. Dude, just think of how much our last regime invested in a guy who's missed this many games in his first 3 years in the NFL? You're acting like this all clearly goes back to Tyrod and calling other people nearsighted for not seeing that... kinda ridiculous. Has no bearing is different from what they think of him in this case I think. It's going to impact Taylor BUT That doesn't mean Taylor would be part of that decision, which seems like it's going to be much more of a business decision than Football decision. And if that's the case, Foxx is saying that demonstrates faith in Tyrod... strange days a comin... I got it. I don't really care. I don't think you're malicious in your posting the way some posters are, which is why I put up with you

I dunno... maybe they're saying we really want a certain level of QB who doesn't need a great WR to be successful so Tyrod, you think you're that guy and we think you might be but aren't spending more than this year to decide that, so here's your chance to prove it. That's not me saying I think that's the level of QB Taylor is.

There's the man I know and love

What do you think it says? You're really going into right field with this anti-Tyrod stuff... kinda strange considering the level-headed poster you typically are...

True... but play calling sure can make a world of difference... Throwing a high percentage 3 yard pass on 3rd and 2 rather than a 30 yard pass you might also feel confident in is the biggest difference between Lynn and Roman... PS: Hello

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Not when Taylor was running Lynn's offense for 13. In those 13 games the Bills were middle of the league in both TOP and 3 & out %

Yes. A system like that (almost exactly what PFF operates) would be better, but as imperfect as it is, it's not to be completely dismissed... and it's also notable that PFF's system, much like the one you just mentioned, graded Taylor out as a pretty good QB, too.

It's not an ironic post unless Peterman becomes something in the NFL the way Taylor did. Taylor is one of the very few exceptions, not the rule... And I love that someone will inevitably think that I just called Taylor a great QB or something when I said nothing of the sort. Nope. Not what I'm saying. Amazing that you got that from what I said... and sad... mostly sad...

Handful of times...? Bruh... how many fingers you got on those hands. And guaranteed both the strength and nature of my feelings about Taylor have been misconstrued. If you don't believe me, tell me what you think everyone thinks and I'll tell you if you're right Glad you found the next Great White Hope... Watch out... Jones sounds like he's coming on...

May I ask why you bother? Your creepy stalking criticism of any of my commentary and effort to tie it back to a misconstrued obsession with Taylor you think I have is just as sad as the misconstrued obsession you think I have. Besides, truth doesn't change based on who says it...

48 pages and counting for a 5th round draft pick who has his work cut out just to make the team... amazing...

I think you're thinking we're on a different page when we aren't...

I agree, but those guys were successful in spite of their height, not because of it. Taylor is above 6 feet, so not a major issue. Did I latch? I made one comment and within it I said it could mean something or could mean nothing. Your hatred for Taylor seriously makes it virtually impossible to have an intelligent conversation with you about him. Well this is just offensive... really offensive...

And something that I thought was interesting... could mean little or could mean a lot. last week Taylor said this: this offense allows us to spread the ball around Did Roman and Lynn NOT let him spread it around? Was there a subtle jab at the offenses he played in the last two years?

Yes, height's a problem. Deeper drops might help. Maybe Dennison is going to make him move around within the pocket more rather than bootlegging outside the pocket.

I heard the interview on the Ryan Ruscillo show with the guy who wrote it. It seriously sounds like there are severe issues in that locker room in general.

What I think is interesting about those numbers in the article in particular is that there's something for both sides of the Taylor camp to agree on... On one side, Taylor breaks the pocket too often; and although some of those were warranted, others weren't. He did this at the highest percentage in the league at about 1% more than Aaron Rodgers, the next highest guy. On the other side, if Taylor can work on staying in the pocket a bit longer or a bit more, he's a pretty good pocket passer. That's really what I've seen in Taylor, too. Hopefully Dennison is really working with him on this.

I'm trying to abide by the generally frowned upon practice of starting any new QB threads, but I think people might be interested in this article posted a couple hours ago: Taylor's % of dropbacks where he broke the pocket and his numbers in and out of the pocket https://www.google.com/amp/www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2017/5/25/15689906/tyrod-taylor-buffalo-bills-in-pocket-passing-statistics

Well said. Pretty well captures how I feel this went down