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Wow. Just Wow...

Wait... So you're telling me that QBs are actually great because they throw interceptions?

And then? That's one aspect of a QB's game. And an important one. But it's not like it's THE ONLY one.

You mean on his fewer than 200 passes? But... Again, your point? Or are you just Trolling? If you can't explain any of the relevance of your cryptic comments, I suspect you're just Trolling.

Your point? Colin Kaepernick didn't have a bad year last year.

It's just amazing how hypocritical some of these folks are considering that they throw out accusations of manipulating data to make Taylor look good. This is worse than that in many ways... it's taking something that everyone acknowledges is one of Taylor's greatest strengths and is pretty much universally accepted as a very important trait for a QB, and they're trying to make it seem like that trait that's pretty much universally accepted as important is actually not very important. Backasswards is what it is. And funny. And a little sad.

Would you say that those same QBs would be better with fewer interceptions? Yeah... interceptions, just like passing yards, just like rushing yards, just like passing TDs, aren't the only influence in winning. There are reasons we lost that Steelers game. One of the only reasons we were even almost in it was because Big Ben kept throwing picks.

I'm really flabbergasted at what you're implying here. So now suddenly Interceptions don't matter? Or I love what Foxx said... "not all interceptions are created equal..." Okay... I guess I'd say that's true, but I'd also say that most of Taylor's Interceptions have come on deep throws that are the equivalent of punts hand have, if anything, been less hurtful than Interceptions thrown by the likes of Jay Cutler or (sorry... gotta do it) EJ Manuel. As much as some of you think those of us who like Taylor twist stats to make him look better, saying Interceptions don't matter that much is one of the most bizarre ways to twist the reality of NFL QB play... Interceptions absolutely matter... a lot.

And now you're lost as to where that argument originated and why we were having it, both of which are critical, otherwise you twist the context as you're doing now. Whatever. Believe what you want. I'm done for the day. Time for Scotch.

It's only nonsensical because that's what you want it to be. Or you still don't understand it. Either way, blah blah blah blah. The argument is going in circles because of your refusals to understand a pretty simple premise, one that makes absolutely no statement about what kind of player he was in 2016 or will be for the rest of his career, but it's being twisted into that for some reason.

Sad. So sad. Civility called and said she left you last night with Reason but would come back tonight, so leave the door unlocked. For the sake of this message board, I hope they get back sooner.

Drew Bledsoe's career numbers don't remotely resemble Taylor's 2015 numbers. Look at all those turnovers. Yes. Those matter, too. And even with all those Interceptions, Bledsoe actually IS in the HOF discussion, even if it's outside looking in and he never gets in.

Thank you... tired of trying to explain it in different ways so even the most stubborn and narrow minded anti-Taylor poster would at least understand. YES. IT. IS!!!! That's exactly what I was saying! I'm truly disappointed in you, 808. Oh Holy Freaking Crap... You guys got problems. My point has been explained well enough. Do you want me to change it to a 14 game season that he averages for the rest of his career where he's still putting up those exact same numbers from 2015? We can if you want. Maybe that's more borderline HOF, but still could get him in. You lost souls amaze me the way you twist statements. Be stubborn. Be blind to it. I don't really care. The truth is here for you to figure out.

You're arguing oranges and my argument is vegetable juice... sure they're almost sorta connected, but they aren't. I was arguing about his per-game stats, Crusher. You get that, right? Yeah, you can call it a stretch to average out what he did on a per game basis in 14 games into 16. That's fine. If it were stretching out 7 games into 16, I could see your argument, but it's 2 games he was missing numbers for. If he played in those 2 games, he obviously would have put stats up. The argument was about Taylor's level of production in 2015, which was much better than you or many give him credit for. Some of you want to argue about how he got those numbers... except he still got them. I said, all along, that what he did in 2015 was incredibly underappreciated by posters like you and that it would be almost ridiculous to actually expect him to improve his production. I said, all along, that I expected a dip in production, myself, but that if Taylor could somehow maintain his level of production, he would undoubtedly be our Franchise QB and if he maintained that level throughout his career, those are HOF numbers he's putting up. You guys are blinding yourselves in your anti-Tyrod sentiments that you can't even acknowledge that if anyone's way off in this, it's not me. Maybe I'm off in the idea that Taylor would be a sure-fire HOFer, but when 808 calls it "ridiculous" to think that when you actually do all the thinking about it goes off the deep end in the opposite direction. You're focusing on "how" he got the production, my argument alone was the production itself, which many over at BBMB actually claimed they needed more of. So, regardless of HOW he got there, if Taylor had a Passer Rating of 99.4 for his entire career, he would be 3rd in career Passer rating ahead of many, many HOF QBs and (again I firmly believe) would be in the HOF. Don't come at me with his stats being propped up because of a system. That has absolutely nothing to do with the argument we had last year. It was about production and production alone. In terms of his production in 2015, if he would have maintained his production throughout his career on a game by game basis, that would be a HOF-worthy QB.

Really? Do you remember the entire context of the argument, yet? You haven't bothered trying to prove it wrong in any way. Try. Please. This would be the epitome of thinking objectively. Tell me how it's a ridiculous thing to say a QB who, over a 16 game season (for the ones he's healthy) would consistently put up 4150 yards, 28 TDs, 7 INTs with the 2nd highest career passer Rating in NFL history would be in the HOF? And if you're one of those "wins are on the QB" guys then also a guy who wins more games than he loses and, therefore, likely ends up in the playoffs multiple times. Tell me how that's a ridiculous thing to say? Now you're not actually arguing against my point, you're just saying something dumb because to go so far as to call that "ridiculous" is ludicrous.

Or not...

I'm confused... where's this poll? I see a direct question of "should the Broncos target Tyrod Taylor in 2017." https://apester.com/media/58630ca34f601b092922329b 76% said yes and 15% said no. What's happened Thurm? You used to be so adamantly neutral about everything. Now your bias is blurring your vision.

Denver fans wouldn't want Tyrod, huh? Revealing post...

FC, you weren't there for this entire discussion last year and 808 can't remember it, but the argument was a per game basis since some years Taylor would likely play a full 16 games, like this year if he weren't pulled. Glad you 2 are getting your LOLs though, even if you have to take a discussion out of context to do it.

No. You see, this has been your problem all along. You didn't understand then what I was saying and you don't understand now what I'm saying. But apparently I'm being "cantankerous and insulting," so I won't try to explain and run the risk of stepping on the toes of folks who can't engage in civil and rational disagreement.

Well, if you think the HOF is keeping out a QB who passes for 3500 yards, 23 TDs, 7 INTs while maintaining a passer Rating of 99.4 which is 3rd all time at the moment and adds 650 yards and 5 TDs on the ground every year he plays, can you explain why?

Odd that you think something that's about as factual as it gets is hyperbole. You know what that word means, right?

There, that's phrased better at least. What we argued was that if Taylor managed to replicate his 2015 production every single year for the rest of his career, he'd be in the HOF. And that the discussion of some that they would need to see an increase in his production aligned with something like what Carr did from year 1 to year 2 was absolutely preposterous. And that there would almost certainly actually be some kind of dip in his production simply because of how well he produced in 2015. That was what we said, not that he was inevitably a HOFer because of one season.

Primarily Shaw and I said that if Taylor replicated the exact same numbers per game in 2015 he had every year for the rest of his career he's a HOFer. And that unlike what everyone else was saying, the hard part would actually be maintaining his play, not improving it. Still think we were wrong?

Wow... talk about oversimplification and twisting of a statement. I already know I'm one of the posters you're referring to.