transplantbillsfan

Wasn't it obvious?

Welp... at least now McDermott knows that for sure, too

I know this is largely tongue in cheek, but there's lots and lots of truth in here

Clear and massive upgrade. Maybe Sunday is the worst week ever see out of Peterman. I think we all agree that the Saints game is the worst will see out of Taylor. Peterman and 1/2 of the Chargers game: 14 passes 6 completions 0 sacks 5 interceptions (1 pick-6) 66 passing yards... even more interception return yards. 4 rushing yards 4 first downs Average starting field position given to opponent while Peterman played: Buffalo's 49 yard line with 49 yard average distance to score. That's obviously without the pick-6. Tyrod Taylor in 3 quarters of the Saints game: 18 passes 9 completions 2 sacks minus 6 yards 1 interception (returned 27 yards) 56 passing yards. 27 rushing yards 4 1st downs Average starting field position given to opponent while Taylor played: Saints own 36 yard line with 64 yards average distance to score. That's with the interception return off Clay's drop, otherwise it was the 28 yard line with an average distance of 72 yards. Both these guys were baaaAAAAaaaad, but Peterman was historically bad. Hell the team practically gave up around him. The D gave up over 300 yards and 37 points in the first half alone! At least it was just a 2 TD game (as opposed to a 30 point game) against the Chargers. I hope Peterman gets better, but I'll be happy if I never see him start another game again.

Ummm... the difference is that Tyrod Taylor is a clear and massive upgrade over the guy who he would remain on the bench for if he were to stay there and every single player knows that. You really can't say the same for any of those positions you just brought up.

Oh man I was totally thinking the same poster. Ironically, that would make this his 3rd username in the brief 7 or 8 months he's been here. Troll away... troll away

No, Taylor had like 170 passing yards and a TD before anything you could classify as "garbage time." Taylor was basically the same effective QB throughout the entire game. And the Jets D really never let up. Go rewatch the game. I did it a long time ago... like right after the Jets game. I want to say I came up with 168 passing yards and 1 passing TD and then the O'Leary fumble, after which I think you could classify the rest of Taylor's stats as "garbage stats" if you want.

Ummm... the Bills with Taylor at QB are 7-11 on the road. Not great, but certainly not bad enough to expect that a "road game" that really is more of a neutral site game is somehow surely or even highly likely a loss.

It's funny you mention this, actually. Because a couple of those interceptions that Peterman had while he was getting hit and throwing were on poor protection wouldn't have been interceptions with Taylor because either he takes a sack or he has the arm strength Peterman doesn't to get it up the field more. Peterman doesn't have the NFL arm to play like the "Nate Favre" Micah Hyde calls him. ooooOOOOOOooooohhhh so you are a previously banned poster. What was your previous username over at BBMB or here?

Pretty sure you were a guy who kept on blabbering that any backup in the NFL could do what Taylor's done. Still sticking with that? Well, they lost the 2nd Jets game because no one got off the team bus except Tyrod Taylor. That Jets game this year along with the 2nd Miami game and MNF Seattle games last year are perfect examples of really good QB play with a team losing in spite of the QB, not because of him. On the flip side, last year's win against Cincinnati is the perfect example of a team winning in spite of really bad QB play. Wins and Losses are a team stat, but Taylor's a good enough QB for a good team to win and go into the playoffs with. Unfortunately, the last 3 games make it look like this just isn't a good team. No he was the QB when the offense was totally ineffective for one blowout and then a string of bungling bad luck negated any effectiveness the offense had in another blowout. At least get your facts straight. Oh yeah... and... DEFENSE?!?!?! Yes... we good But you don't throw away a mid tier QB in a QB-driven league without having an upgrade. And you especially don't trot out hot garbage onto the field when your team is very much in the middle of a legitimate Wild Card race and throw a game that might come back to haunt you later.

He had 2 bounce back games after The Carolina debacle against the Broncos and then at Atlanta... on the road. On the road didn't mean that much in this case. It was like a neutral site. Makes Peterman's performance that much more pitiful. How was Taylor's 2nd half? If Lynn was licking his chops, looked like his mouth was dry cause the 1st half and 2nd half were night and day in terms of QB performance.

Yeah... interceptions are worse

It was 1 terrible game for Taylor against the Saints. He was the only player on the team other than Zay Jones who showed up vs the Jets. 38 games as a starter for Taylor. What percentage of those were bad? 15-20%... at most? Sorry. The Chargers game would probably have been a bounce back game for Taylor. We might not have won, but we wouldn't have been down by 30 at the half after 24 points off turnovers.

This this 1000x this!!! But here's my problem with this: he screwed up the tank!!! If that was his goal, we legitimately should have started Peterman from week 1. But when Lorax and especially Kyle decided to come back, it felt like a couple guys were convinced by their Head Coach that the team was going to aim for a winning season. Were they duped? Better yet, why would McDermott even try to get them to not retire if that's all he wanted to do? We're going to have our answer in large part on Wednesday. I guess I'm fine and can deal with either. If we start Peterman, we're tanking even though I'll still watch every game and hope against hope that Peterman suddenly turns into Brady. I mean, it can't get any worse than what he did Sunday, right? But if McDermott comes out and says Taylor is the starter, which I mostly expect (though absolutely nothing is going to shock me anymore when it comes to McDermott), then he's telling this team that we're still trying to make a run. Whichever way he goes I'm fine with as long as he just sticks with that QB the rest of the year. I do kinda fear that he's pretty stubborn with "the process" and that he's going to start Peterman, anyway, and that he's doing it because he actually believes he can win with him.

Taylor was a big part of the losses against Carolina, Cincy and NO. He absolutely was not in primetime against the Jets. He looked like the only Bills player who actually showed up to the game aside from Zay Jones who unfortunately got hurt. That was probably one of his 5 best games. I think giving up 300 yards on the ground by the defense was the biggest reason we lost against New Orleans. Regardless, 3 bad games out of 9. Let's see how many more of those he has the rest of the year, assuming McDermott is still trying to win games. He very well might not be. We'll find out on Wednesday. To the Denver game alone; lest we forget that the Bills were winning that game even with the "whacked" unsportsmanlike penalty called on Miller that just sealed the deal?

Are you joking? Are you saying QB wouldn't have made a difference in terms of us winning or losing yesterday? Yeah, it's possible we lose yesterday, but I doubt it's the bloodbath it turned out to be. Peterman was THE reason we were down 30 points at halftime. That's what happens when you give the other team the ball and they turn those 5 turnovers into 24 points... coulda been 27 if the SD FG kicker doesn't miss a gimme. But I mean, at least when Peterman didn't throw interceptions, he was getting 1st downs and not going 3 & out like Tayl... oh wait... yes he was

QBs in the NFL have bad games. They all do. Taylor's had 3 bad games out of 9 in 2017. That's not good enough... I think you'd rather see, at most, 3 in an entire 16 game season. But regardless, Taylor's the better option than Peterman by a mile and he's better than at minimum a handful of other NFL starting QBs. I don't really know what previously banned poster you are, but the blind bias is strong with you

Well good luck to McDermott explaining that to his vets

Peterman wasn't just bad. He was absolutely horrid. Like historically horrid. 5 interceptions and two 3 and outs. Oh, and an almost-turnover because he wasn't ready for the snap while he was in shotgun. We were winning with Taylor. We were 5-4. That was a winning record. Now we're .500. Taylor might not be a top 10-12 QB, but he's a top 20 QB. McDermott's backed himself into a corner at this point and it's going to be really interesting to watch the rest of this team take catnaps on the field if he decides to keep his best QB on the bench.

Me too. Taylor's a lot better than Osweiler or Siemian.

If that's the way we're rolling, no problem. If McDermott's goal is to tank I think that's going to generally become clear if he starts Peterman. The problem is that sure didn't seem to be the goal as we started 5-2. What sure looked like a tank to start the season became the typical season we saw over the last 17 years. So sure, if our goal is to tank then I expect McDermott to start Peterman. But the problem is those vets in the locker room he'll have to answer to... especially guys like Lorax and Meatball he reportedly convinced to come back for one more season and a shot at the playoffs. So yeah, if his goal is to tank, you're right that it's no problem to start Peterman. But considering the fact that the guy on the bench would clearly be better than the starter on the field then this coach would have to basically just come out and say he's tanking. He screwed up the tank. If he wanted it, he should have started Peterman from game 1.

People are idiots. I'm sorry, but it's just true. My Dad and I argued for 20 minutes after the game yesterday about how bad Peterman actually was and he kept pointing to the Offensive Line. We just had to say until next week and Happy Thanksgiving because it's this incredibly stupid and hypocritical hard-headed behavior that persists amongst so many people that they use an excuse like that for Peterman without realizing that that's exactly why Taylor needs to be our starting QB. Honestly it's just head-scratching the way people actually think if you argue that Taylor is a capable NFL starting QB you're somehow arguing that he's great. It's not "He's great!!!" or "He sucks!!!" folks! Reality is in the middle. It's that Taylor is a capable NFL starter. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't or can't upgrade. But it means we shouldn't be throwing games in order to watch a dumpster fire unfold.

Yeah I agreed Taylor's not the long term answer. How many bad games like that did EJ have? No one's giddy about Nate's failure, Shady. You're more extreme in your view on Taylor in the opposite direction you think I am on him. That's why I used the word "crusade" because it's like you're blinded to the fact that Taylor is simply and clearly the better option than Peterman right now. That does NOT mean that Taylor is our long term answer. We're drafting a QB in round 1 next year and very possibly trading up to do it. Taylor might even still be around in 2018, depending on what happens the rest of this season. But dude, that was AWFUL!!! Way worse than anything EJ's done and waaaAAAAAAaaaaayyy worse than anything Taylor's done. That doesn't mean Taylor's great. He's just not going to give you that kind of awful we saw yesterday. And as I've been saying for a long time, that's Taylor's value. Somewhere in all of what I just said you're piecing everything I've said into a narrative that I think Tyrod Taylor should be our long term QB or that he's one of the best QBs in the NFL. Here are some bullet points to help you understand my exact feelings on this whole QB situation as it relates to the 2017 Buffalo Bills: - The 2017 Buffalo Bills are currently 5-5, the 7th seed, and share the same record as the 6th seed - The 2017 Buffalo Bills are one of the oldest teams in the NFL with several vets who are starters nearing or at the end of their careers: Kyle, Lorax, McCoy, Wood, Incognito, etc. At least a couple of those guys reportedly contemplated retirement in the offseason, but were convinced to come back by a coach who sold them that this team was "Playoff Caliber" - Nate Peterman threw 5 interceptions, all giving the Chargers a short field, 1 a pick 6. Of the 4 remaining interceptions the Chargers got a FG and 2 TDs and also missed a relative gimme FG. That's 24 points off turnovers in the first half when it easily could have been 27. - OH AND HEEEEEYYYYY!!!! Ya know what happened on the 3 drives that didn't result in and interception for Peterman? On our only scoring drive in the 1st half, McCoy runs on 2 plays for 64 yards and a TD and.... WHOOOOOOPS!!!! Two 3 and outs by Peterman!! (Are you seriously still throwing a silver lining out here for Peterman?) - With Tyrod Taylor at QB through 9 games, the Bills were 5-4 and one of only 6 teams in the AFC with a winning record and the 6 seed in the playoff race. - Taylor turned the ball over less times through 9 games than Peterman did in ONE FRIGGIN HALF!!!! - Taylor in those 9 games was still completing over 64% of his passes - Taylor in those 9 games was still responsible for 12 total TDs and 200 yards of offense per game for an offense riddled by injury and sometimes seemingly devoid of skill at skill positions with an OL that demonstrated how much of a sieve it truly is with a "traditional pocket passer" yesterday. - Despite that crap show yesterday, this team has more than just some distant mathematical shot to make the playoffs as a wildcard - The Head Coach talks about a leadership counsel he "listens to" that consists of a lot of those aging vets above. What do you think they'll tell McDermott about QB preference? How do you think those guys will react if Nate's named the starter on Wednesday? Look, we all wanted Nate to succeed. I actually believed he would. I had these visions of him coming out and picking apart the Chargers D and becoming the next Brady. Instead, it looks like my feelings from the preseason were right, at least at this moment. There's a reason we waited until our 2nd pick of the 5th round to draft him. Micah Hyde's "Nate Favre" might be a good description for the kid. He's half of Favre. He has the gunslinger mentality. He doesn't have the arm strength to be a gunslinger. That interception on the right sideline where the defender just anticipated his pass and strolled in front of the WR was exactly the type of interception I thought Nate would be prone to throw. It's the exact same interception Jeff Tuel threw against the Browns for a pick 6 when he replaced EJ Manuel. Like Jeff Tuel, Peterman looked good (not even all that good... not even as good as Tuel did, but acceptable) in the preseason, but was just exposed in regular season action. If McDermott says Peterman's starting on Wednesday, I'll root hard for him to succeed on Sunday. But I just fear he's going to lose whatever grip he currently has on this team if he doesn't announce Taylor is starting on Wednesday. But it's okay, in the end, we'll draft our guy in the 1st round next year. Taylor's not our long term answer. Neither is Peterman. At least we can win with Taylor.

Yeah, well, you don't keep better on the bench while a whole lot worse is killing your team on the field and legitimately losing games for you on the field. You say how can we pretend that the outcome would've been different with Taylor? Are you saying that because you know somehow that the outcome would've been the same? If so, what a laugh PS: You seem to be confusing the posters you have crusades against.

Prescott is really just the example of the tier 2 QBs that I'd put Taylor in. Wrong circumstances - He'll be bad Decent circumstances - He'll look like an NFL starter Great to ideal circumstances - He'll look like a pro bowler and can lead a team on a playoff run The moment you knew Zeke was going to miss games was the moment you had to know Dak would take a big step back. Same with Matt Ryan when Shanahan left. Hey, how's everyone's favorite 2016 QB Derek Carr doing? What's up with Mariota? Too bad in today's world we're seriously victims of the moment and have the memories of goldfish. We can and should be trying to upgrade actively on Taylor, but he's fine until we're able to do that, which I assume will be next draft.