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Why? Because of who we play? First of all, no one really knows if the Ravens, Chargers, Vikings and Packers are all really going to be that good. We play this game every year: "Well that's a Loss!!!" I'm tired of that game. Remember the 2-0 Big Bad Broncos last year? Or the 3-0 Frightening Super Bowl runner-up Falcons with the reigning league MVP the very next week? Or the Cardinals in 2016 in week 3 coming off a week 2 thrashing of the Bucs? Or the 3-0 and rolling Patriots the following week in Foxborough? Or week 1 in 2015 against the AFC conference runner up Colts and their all-world QB Andrew Luck? This game of circling Ws and Ls is silly. No game in the NFL is a gimme. No game in the NFL is an automatic Loss. The Bills will come to play in those games, and one thing I will argue could be a benefit rather than a detriment for those first 4 weeks is having a QB under center with very little game tape for the opposition to study, especially if Allen becomes the starter--being an unknown will be a bit of help to start the season for whoever McDermott chooses at QB.

Guess so. I think and have thought since we acquired McCarron and drafted Allen it'd be McCarron or Allen starting. The Peterman hype has been odd, but let's see how long it goes into TC.

Boom!!! Great post! I'm not even saying Peterman won't develop into a legitimate starting QB, but it's head-scratching the way some are talking about him like he already is one. I just think if Peterman starts this year, which he might, all of the SaviorPeterman's of this board should be prepared to see a QB with most of the same weaknesses, flashing good maybe a little more than last year, but benched by mid season. I definitely wouldn't root for that if he's named starter, but it's just what likely will happen. People are talking about Peterman like he's going to be our Frank Reich for the next decade or so. Talk about a massively premature statement, not to mention a huge slap in the face to the guy who engineered the greatest comeback in NFL history.

http://www.espn.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/31756 Josh Allen's development key to Bills' postseason hopes For the Buffalo Bills to contend for the playoffs this season, here are the five players who can help make that happen: AJ McCarron, QB: Josh Allen, QB: LeSean McCoy, RB: Kelvin Benjamin, WR: Jerry Hughes, DE:

Yes, we understand he might start week 1. I absolutely acknowledge it's very possible. Personally, I think it'll be around 20-25% chance of it happening, but that's significant enough where I've come to terms with it. But if he does, it's going to be because Peterman won the offseason and looked better than the other guys. But last preseason and the 2015 preseason should be cautionary tales, where Peterman and EJ Manuel were pretty clearly the best QBs in preseason games.

I've seen those ball velocity tests at the combine and talk about sheer poppycock. I've watched Taylor throw and I've watched Peterman throw. Taylor is noticeably the stronger passer in terms of ball velocity alone. Not just now. Out of college, too. I mean whatever you think or thought of Taylor, c'mon man, the guy should undeniably be looked at as having an NFL arm. Definitely not the same for Peterman. Just look at their scouting reports, arm strength stuff only in overview and strengths followed by entire weakness: Taylor-- http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/tyrod-taylor?id=2495240 OVERVIEW He has a quick release and a strong arm STRENGTHS Has above average arm strength and flashes the ability to fit the ball into tight windows on short to intermediate routes WEAKNESSES Does not possess adequate height and too many of his passes are knocked down at the line. Sloppy footwork prevents him from stepping into throws making him an erratic passer. Locks onto receivers and often telegraphs his throws. Struggles breaking down coverage and makes too many ill-advised throws. Taylor has nothing about arm strength being a weakness and, in fact, his arm is described as "above average" and "strong." Peterman-- http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/nathan-peterman?id=2558191 Strengths Has enough arm to work field side, intermediate throws. Weaknesses Inconsistent delivery base causes some throws to sail. Has instances where he short strides and is forced to muscle it to his target. Will float some throws on seams and dig routes. Will have to be mindful to drive the ball on pro level to avoid the ballhawks who are lurking at safety. Has to prove he has enough arm to challenge the same tight windows he did in college. Ball handling a little sluggish in wide receiver screens, hitches and most RPOs (run, pass option). Wants to play hero-ball at times. Needs to learn when to air-mail throw and move to next play rather than trying to get too cute with sideline throws. Can improve overall touch. In Peterman's overview and strengths, you get a lot of discussion about anticipation and accuracy and a single line about arm strength that's incredibly vague, but the bulk of his weakness discussion has to do with arm strength. There's a reason for that. I don't think anyone watching Peterman throw would dare say he has more zip in his passes than Tyrod Taylor or Deshaun Watson. Geez. I don't think anyone needs ball velocity numbers to know that.

Who is "he?" Me? BuffaloHokie and Royale already directly addressed this post. Was I required to respond to it, too? Footwork and lower body mechanics can obviously play a role in increasing ball velocity, but it also almost completely disregards the upper body. The more you're forced to rely on your lower body mechanics, the more you'reforced to be a wizard in the pocket to find room to utilize those lower body mechanics to transfer to the upper body and directly into an increase in ball velocity. Brady is a wizard. He knows how to move around. Do you think Peterman looked like he had that kind of pocket presence last year? And if he can't, we gotta go back to making the arm itself stronger. Yes, mechanics matter, but arm strength clearly does, too.

2- In case you didn't know, the Bills are trying out players at Center this offseason, too. But none of the Bills QBs, including Allen, have reportedly struggled with snaps the way Mahomes reportedly has. 3- Praise? National praise means absolute squat. As for local, team and coaches praise, Allen is getting plenty of that, too. And there haven't been any disastrous practices thus far. I'm missing something. You said you aren't a Bills fan. Are you a Chiefs fan? Or jeffismagic reincarnated as a more thoughtful (or at least garrulous) poster?

Good stuff!!! I just really have a lot of confidence in Beane. He demonstrates a lot of that reason for it here.

Shooter is an interesting series. I'm 9 episodes in and I like the development so far. Season 1 of Taken was watchable enough. I really liked Season 1 of Lost in Space. The show Travelers was just okay. Sherlock is very good, even though you might need subtitles just to keep up with what the hell they're saying. I'm a big believer that a show has to grab me for more than one, sometimes even more than 2 seasons in order to be any good. I don't think there are a lot of those out there. Also, to some degree, the shows need to get to the point. And I don't want to read subtitles or deal with the dubbed English voices that don't match the mouths moving. My wife and I friggin loved Fringe... at least the first 3 seasons or so, but by then we were invested. We also watched Criminal Minds until the main guy punched someone and got booted off the show. Better Call Saul is fantastic. Obviously watch Breaking Bad first, which is pretty incredible. Loved Stranger Things, both seasons. Loved Daredevil. Loved The Punisher. Watch it after you watch season 2 of Daredevil. Westworld is good, but 4 episodes into season 2 it's going in some weird directions, but I still dig it. Penny Dreadful is pretty good, and I like that it completes a story arc with it's 3 seasons, and it seemed intentional. Supernatural is, I admit, a totally guilty pleasure, but damn is it fun. And so many seasons out there to kill time.

1- Is an NFL game ever not brutal? You're projecting too much about how good the teams are in our first 8 games. Regardless of what a coach should or should not do, I highly doubt that's what McDermott is doing. The NFL changes so consistently year to year that I'd bet you money that at least two of those teams you (and so many others who--like every year--are predicting how difficult our schedule is based on the teams we play) allude to who you think will be so great in the first 8 games will end the season with losing records. At least 2. Probably more. I don't think projecting like this is something coaches do or is even plausible--except for when the Bills play the Patriots 2- More projecting. Similarly to #1, Beane's job as GM is to evaluate players and bring in the best known good to great players for value but, more importantly, to rely on scouting--both pro and college--to go out and find those diamonds in the rough. We have and unknown offensive roster, not necessarily a "not very good one." Maybe it's downright awful, but the good thing is that McDermott has had OTAs and Minicamp and will have Training Camp and Preseason to evaluate it. If he thinks they're much worse than they were last year, I'm sure that'll factor into his decision. I, personally, thing the offensive roster is better than you think. But I've really bought into what Beane has been doing with the roster on both the pro and college side. 3- I think this is a playoff team, just like I thought we'd make the playoffs last year and thought it before the season started: https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/195955-why-are-you-so-sure-we-arent-a-playoff-team/ We were a playoff team. This year, I think we'll be better. I don't even know who our QB is, yet, but I think we'll finally get to double digit wins and won't rely on another team in a miracle win to make the playoffs. I think that not simply because I am a Bills fan. I think that because it's year 2 under a HC who already coached an underrated team into the playoffs once and he's going into year 2 with a seriously upgraded defensive roster (and that's his bread and butter), he brought in an OC who's advertised as very creative who he seems to know well personally and trust, our RBs are better, our WRs are already better with simply a healthy Benjamin, our OL has an opportunity with 2 aging vets who left to inject some youth in the interior OL, and we have lots of potential at the QB position... with whoever that might be. Plus, again, this is year 2 under a regime that broke a 17 year playoff drought. There's buy-in already built in. Allen might not start week 1. If he doesn't, it's going to be because Peterman or McCarron were clearly well ahead of him. I doubt it's for any of the 3 reasons you provide.

So the question is... how below average was Peterman's arm? I just really thought his arm was too weak last summer. When NFL defenders see throws like these-- It looks like the NFL QB version of this-- Or there wasn't enough velocity on the ball to get to the WR rather than the defender.

It sounds ridiculous because it is ridiculous. AJ McCarron is the most NFL proven QB, by far. Obviously.

All we've had for the last 2 decades at QB is some potential... this offseason we've just invested a lot more in that potential than we ever have. And I'm not just talking about money. Dabol is about as critical an acquisition this offseason as our investment in the QB position was because investing in Dabol is telling him he's responsible for developing our youth at the position; yes a little of Peterman but a lot of Allen. I hope Dabol is a wizard, too, or closer to that than a huckster... if he is, I think we have really good reason to be excited about the 2018 season, no matter who starts at QB.

Was I wrong?

I guess we are. That was poor joking... or I should say it was not the "haha for all" type of joke, it was more "I'm going to be a condescending jerk to you because I think it's funny and others (not you) will think it's funny, too" type of joke. So you pretty much asked for a response like that from me.

I watched Jim Kelly from the moment I became a Bills fan in 1988 to 1996. I've seen a HOFer at QB in a Bills uniform. I know what it looks like, thanks. I'll never hate a Bills QB. I don't hate Peterman. I didn't love Taylor. I don't love Allen, though I'm excited about his prospects. I'm definitely more of a positive person than so many on here, though. Being a sports fan is supposed to be enjoyable, so I enjoy watching every minute of every game the Bills play, even when we absolutely suck like in 2010 when we were 4-12 and were out of even remote playoff contention in October. You can whine and complain if you want, I'll be positive, thank you very much... maybe it's the Hawaiian sun that does it for me. Even if Peterman starts (I don't want him to, just like I desperately hated the idea of drafting Allen), I'll manage to be positive about it. Sorry if that bothers you. Feel free to do what redneck claims he's now going to do and what Shady has clearly unsuccessfully been doing for a long time and ignore me.

Weird... the article isn't entirely critical of Peterman and actually leaves ambiguity here. Another useless irrelevant post bitching about a thread just because of personal feelings. You're definitely one of a small handful of posters on this message board one could point to in order to define the word Curmudgeon. Nice to see you still feel so much affection for me, though

Exactly. There are clearly fans here who root more for or against players than anything, but despite being utter dog dung against the Chargers, every time Peterman took the field with the 1st string offense, I convinced (deluded...?) myself that he would find a way to pull a complete 180 and look like a viable Franchise QB who could eventually lead us to the promised land. That didn't happen. But if he starts for us this year from the beginning, I'll do the same: trust McDermott's judgement, root for the laundry, and Billieve in the guy under center, even if I'm incredibly apprehensive about him.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.buffalorumblings.com/platform/amp/2018/6/27/17484226/all-22-analysis-buffalo-bills-quarterback-nathan-peterman-kelvin-benjamin-charles-clay Beginning "For this all-22 look, we’ll cut right to the chase. Nathan Peterman has shown some good things along with some bad things. His low volume of game tape (52 pass attempts) makes statistical evaluations exceedingly difficult, so we won’t even try. No one should be selling a definitive “Book of Peterman,” as his trajectory is unknown at this point. What follows are simply notes on the Ghost of Peterman past. Should he elect to undergo Ebenezer Scrooge-like self-evaluation and correction, the Ghost of Peterman future should be a much nicer picture. Because quarterbacks are special, we have a limited edition format for this dive." Click the link for All-22 Analysis of 7 Plays End "Skeptics will likely continue to cringe at the sheer number of things he needs to work on, which is a valid take. Petermaniacs can hang their hat (or ripped muscle shirt) on the fact that repetition should lead to improvements in all of his weak areas. This is also a valid take. More than anyone else in the position group, Peterman exemplifies Schrödinger’s QB."

And Maury Balstein, too.

And yet, in the modern era of quarterbacking over the last 10 years, 76.5% of the QBs drafted in the top 10 started week #1 and 56% of all QBs drafted in the 1st round drafted have started week #1, game #1 of their rookie year for the team that drafted him. 96.3% of all QBs drafted in the 1st round in the last 10 years started at some point during their rookie year. General odds actually seem to favor Allen starting week 1, especially given a new offensive system and no incumbent.

Ah I see it. I really don't know who his source is or how close he is to McDermott or Dabol, but I think much will be revealed in that first week of Training Camp. I said I think Allen has somewhere around a 50% chance of becoming the week 1 starter, and I still think that's about right. As much as Colorado and a couple others are painting me as a "he WILL be the starter!!!" guy, the reality is I think he's got about a 50/50 shot to win it. His sheer physical talent, leadership that's already showing, intelligence, and glowing praise from vets are some of the reasons for that combined with the fact that the 2 guys he's up against are probably the "frontrunner" who's had 5 NFL starts and was a backup for 4 years otherwise to a mediocre Franchise QB and a guy with a serious physical detriment for an NFL QB (at least as far as last year) who's shocked everyone this spring with how good he's been--and that shock largely stems from how appallingly bad he was last year. But I'd say Peterman/McCarron are about as likely to be the starter as Allen. Just my opinion.

Hap, I assume you're referring to this tweet by Allbright? Is that it? I don't think that one says anything at all about Allen, especially him being distantly in 3rd. I looked through that conversation and didn't see any of it brought up, either.