transplantbillsfan

I'm sorry I just can't even get past this part to read the rest of your post without you actually addressing it: Trump is a self-made man? The guy admitted himself that he got his start thanks to a $1 million loan from his father nearly half a century ago. That's the number Trump, a consistent liar, has repeated himself he was given to start his business empire. There's a high end report that he was actually given over $60 million at the time. Self-made man? C'mon man... And once you dispense with that premise and realize that Trump is just ultimately "Old Money," how the hell do you NOT see that he's ABSOLUTELY part of that elite class that thinks he's above us?

It's serendipitous you started this thread because this morning I really started asking myself: With John Brown, is a "true #1 WR threat" really the need we thought it was in the upcoming offseason? The guy has just been balling out. And he really probably should have had over 150 yards receiving yesterday alone if Allen connects with him on that deep ball he got open for and throws it to him on that 3rd down instead of Beasley like Allen should have. Other than I think one ball he dropped this year, Brown has been pretty spectacular and near flawless.

Anyone wondering Allen's 4th quarter stats for the whole season: 22/32 (68.8%) 312 yards (9.8 YPA) 4TDs 0 INTs 139.6 QB Rating

El Camino was worth watching solely for the minute or so of Todd singing in the car. I was dying laughing throughout that scene.

Wow... this entire thread has gone pretty wildly off topic.

Sounds like you're solely talking about his long passes. I just don't get this post, otherwise. He's sucked on his long passes this year. On the rest of his passes he's really improving.

And with Allen going 6/7 for 67 yards, 2 TDs and 0 INTs in the 4th quarter today, I think we'll all take that 4th quarter 146.1 Passer Rating. Curious where @jrober38 has been the last couple wins.

If the Bills were behind going into the 4th quarter, yes it technically counts.

With that 4th quarter I think Allen might push himself up to #1 or #2 in QB passer rating in the 4th quarter this year.

Seriously head-scratching. But I'll take those misses on the bombs if he keeps throwing it the way he is all over the rest of the field.

I don't understand what's going on with Allen's deep ball. I thought last year he was fairly accurate on his deep passes. This year he's just awful on them. Always overthrowing his guys. On the flip side, we've seen significant improvement on all his other passes. Knox needs to get out of his own head.

@Foxx... great post. The one that was really long that I don't want to quote. There are things in there I think I might come back to, but overall I appreciate the spirit of the post and thread as a whole. It's generally been civil. One question: you like Trump because he is "exposing the corruption of the elite class that thinks they are above us"... you seriously don't believe that Trump is part of that????

And then there are old curmudgeons like you who are just angry at the world as far as I can tell in your generally unintelligible weird stream-of-consciousness writing style.

Not remotely a problem for me. Along with much of my family being Trump supporters, I watch football every Sunday morning at a bar here in Hawaii with another diehard Bills fan who's also an avid Trump guy. Wife and I have gotten together multiple times with him and his wife. When the Bills made it in the playoffs due to the Tyler Boyd TD, he and I screamed and ran around the bar like lunatics... jumping and hugging. I don't have a problem with real people I know who voted for Trump and still like him. I have issues with Internet message board Trump supporters who hide behind their computers, puff out their chests and pretend they know everything. And even those guys that I know are Bills fans I can easily separate and compartmentalize politics from sports.

And yet you continue to give me that attention, anyway. Hell, you followed me into this thread and have at this point already derailed what I believe was a well-intentioned question to "the other side." So congrats on that. The broader conversation was CLEARLY about "how much more enthusiastic Trump voters are as another example for why he wins!!!" And you jumped in with your statement about the top 4 candidates fundraising not even being in the same ball park as though it was a confirmation of less Democratic enthusiasm--and it would be absolutely disingenuous of you to say that you didn't mean that--except that argument entirely misses the mark in a field of 20 something Democrats. That was pretty clearly what I was disputing. And then in a pitiful effort to deflect, you claim I need to link the pretty obvious stuff I just brought up. So, this all just makes you intellectually dishonest, as another poster would put it. I won't call you the name you called me, clearly you're just projecting.

I see none of the others called out in the OP have decided to partake in this thread, which is just turning into the troll-fest I expected it would be... can't say I blame them

I suggest you learn to research the easy-to-find pretty common knowledge stuff on the Internet. I never moved the goalposts. My argument was consistent and I then even provided you with one of the EASY TO FIND AND OBVIOUS LINKS to support it and you just went on with your jackass trollin self. As far as not providing a link initially. Sorry, one isn't required to cite a source when it's common knowledge. And frankly, what I was arguing was pretty common knowledge if you weren't so damn blind red. Unfortunately in Trump's world of alternative facts common knowledge isn't even common knowledge to some of you, which forces some of us to triangulate and confirm things that are pretty obvious and widely known. And down the rabbit hole it takes you.

Guess I'll be the first of your call-outs to answer and just assume you aren't trolling but are asking a legitimate question you want answered for curiosity's sake. And I'm answering because with all the little quips you've given me over the years, I mostly respect you: So, when I see anyone post "sourced" material that's clearly sourced material, yes I try to read it. I especially did so when I first stated lurking over here. I say try to because I don't spend very much time in this sub-forum. The last couple weeks I was here mainly because it was the bye week and it's always entertaining to come in and see responses when the debates come on. But a lot of the "sourced" material, as you say yourself, is embedded or buried in otherwise clearly partisan bullcrap. I'm not sifting through that crap. I'm what you guys would absolutely call liberal, but I'm not as far left as some of the party is. I'm not the biggest fan of Warren or Sanders, largely because I think they're taking things too far left with their Medicare for All plans. And I will acknowledge that if Warren wins the nomination (I think Sanders is done, even if he hasn't conceded), I will be just a bit less confident in my current bet about the 2020 Presidential Race with @Deranged Rhino. Regardless, yes, I'm left. But I read as much as I can (with as often little time as I have) from both sides. Plenty of Trump supporters in my family, though, including my older sister and her husband and my younger sister's husband. My father-in-law, step-father-in-law, and mother-in-law are all hardcore Trump supporters along with my former brother-in-law, now divorced from my wife's sister. I'm able to have conversations with my sister, all my brother-in-laws and my step-father-in-law about politics. We talk and even will look things up together and have serious, sometimes heated conversations. And I still love all of them. There's a reason I've called this place toxic. It's very much not a place full of much open dialogue, with a handful of great posters that I've referenced in the past. But here's my consistent issue, getting back to your original question: so much of even the "sourced material" provided in this sub-forum is cherry-picked, provided without clear and objective context, which is more middle than the far right this place leans. The problem on all sides in this place is that it's really just about winning rhetorical arguments rather than taking whole picture, overarching looks at some of these issues. Then you have the handful of posters just trolling others and throwing out one-liner insults at others. What's the point? What are you accomplishing? I guess I'd turn the question back on those here, as well. Just the other day in another thread I was having a dialogue with a few others, brought up some facts after researching multiple sources for triangulation's sake in order to verify it, and admittedly didn't post all the links, largely because of the multiple places I went, time, and this just isn't the real world in here and I anticipated pretty much exactly what you're asking in the OP of the posters I was talking to. Plus the information was easily accessible. Once I was accused of not providing sources in an Ad Hominem attack, I provided the most obvious and reliable one as a starting point. But the truth is, I was just being trolled because the jackass poster didn't even address the issue.

Keep deflecting with your ad hominem attack rather than addressing the issue at hand. Start here. It's the obvious place to start, and notice the stark difference between blue and red: https://www.fec.gov/data/raising-bythenumbers/

Keep livin in the upside down as you cherry pick away rather than understanding the bigger picture.

Backup??? Bruh, it's not difficult to find the fundraising numbers for all the candidates and add them up. This isn't some overly complex thing to find. If you need guidance, use Google to find the official campaign numbers and a calculator to add them up. Or don't do that if you don't want. Seems some of you are desperate to keep up this false narrative.

*sigh* Trump has raised more than any individual Democrat by far because it's a numbers game. One Republican vs 20 or so Democrats. The 20 or so Democrats outraised Trump. That is fact. Look it up. The finger pointing at cash on hand seems to be a big deal and, frankly, I don't know why. Once the Democratic nominee is sifted out, he/she will get an inundation of money. There are pro Democrat organisations like Actblue that I referenced before that have already raised TONS of money to be used in the upcoming election. But aside from the money obsession, Democrats will get its voters to coalesce around one candidate. This time Democrats will go out and vote for the Democratic candidate rather than stay home or vote for a 3rd party candidate (which was what happened in 2016... BY FAR the highest number of 3rd party votes in history... like 3+ million more than EVER happened) because they saw what it did in 2016. And the majority of Independents will join because the majority of Independents, at this point, want Trump impeached and removed from office. I don't give a dime to political candidates and I absolutely shudder any time ANY political commercial comes on TV. The ads don't influence me at all. Do you think I'm alone? What do you think Trump's money will accomplish? The country leans more left than it does right at this point. Trump is in office thanks to a perfect storm. Maybe you should ask yourself who really has the blind spot as to what is happening in this country.

I will give you one thing, your stubbornness made me double check and dig even deeper. I honestly don't know at this point if you believe what you're saying because you got it from what you believe are reliable sources in the Twitter verse or if you're just flat out lying in the endless pursuit I've stated multiple times that you guys have over here of winning a rhetorical argument, but no, most of that post is just wrong. And honestly, I'm a little disappointed it is because I respect you. Democrats have hauled in more money in total and significantly more money from small dollar donors (less than $200) than Donald Trump. Weird obsession you guys have with these campaign war chests. Frankly, I'm a little surprised at the norms some of you expect to hold up in the midst of all of your "BUT THE WORLD HAS DRASTICALLY CHANGED WITH THE ELECTION OF TRUMP!!!" proclamations. Bizarro world over here sometimes... most of the time. Not all that concerned with Democratic war chests. They will get their money considering the likes of the online Democratic fundraising tool Actblue has raised over $3 billion for the party alone. I just don't understand why you can't see Trump's election was an outlier... You will, though

Movin goalposts. But whatever. Over the months it's been about the fundraising itself for you. You brought it up pretty consistently. Now it's about cash on hand, which involves many other factors. What's your reasoning behind cash on hand being so meaningful when these campaigns are constantly raising and using money? How many individual donors have donated to Trump's campaign and what's the average individual donation vs. How many individual donors have donated to Democratic candidates' campaigns and what's the average individual donation That might be meaningful.