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He's a 36 year old RB. Of course he's wearing down a bit. I blame Daboll for stupid play calling than I blame Gore on all those run stuffs. I think it was Joe Buscaglia who said that Buffalo lined up in that exact same setup and was stuffed 5 times in that game. You'd think Daboll would realize after the 2nd or 3rd time it wasn't working and not to do it again. We have a great 1-2 punch with Singletary and Gore. Let's stop looking at 1 game as a representation of Gore's season, which has been pretty amazing for a 36 year old back. See the post above. And he's NOT on this team mainly because of his character. Largely, yes. Mainly, no. Gore is on this team because we needed an RB who hits a hole and gets positive yardage consistently instead of dancing around in the backfield and losing 2 or 3 yards the way McCoy has been doing more and more the last couple years.

Frank Gore is averaging over 4 yards per carry and is on track for almost 900 rushing yards this year. Let's not pretend Frank Gore is on this team just because of his character.

These guys are such morons. I don't know who the guy on the left is (is that Sam Monson?), but he has ALWAYS belittled Allen. If folks want to know why this thread exists, it's because of dudes like that who find it absolutely painful to even say that his stats look okay. Unreal. I know we have those guys on this message board, but they're all over the national media.

This obsession with the 300 yard game is ridiculous. Allen has had 3 games where he's had 300+ yards combined rushing and receiving. The Bills were 1-2 in those games. Yards don't correlate with winning. Completion % and efficiency does for Allen though and I would bet it does league-wide for all QBs. In the 11 games Allen WON when he started: 62.1% completion % 26.6 passing attempts per game 7.5 YPA 24 total TDs 9 total turnovers In the 8 games Allen LOST when he started: 50.6% completion % 31.9 passing attempts per game 5.7 YPA 8 total TDs 15 total turnovers Truth is that in large part the way Allen goes is the way team success goes. Earlier I said Allen was 11-8 in games he start. His record in games he started AND finished is 11-6... so yes, I excluded the Texans game last year and Pats game this year. Losing him in both those games hurt the team. Do you 300 yard fanboys not care about team success? Naturally as Allen gets more comfortable, we hope his completion percentage goes up even in those Ls, which will naturally increase his yards and maybe it'll bring him into the 300+ yard category. I suspect we'll see one or two 300+ yard passing games before the season is over. But I don't know if that will be a good indicator for the team because it will mean we're playing from behind. Earlier this season Allen was "on pace" for 300+ yards in a couple of our Ws because he had about 200 yards passing by the half. But then--just in case you aren't paying attention--our playcalling turns strange and conservative and the entire offense tends to tighten up in the 3rd quarter. Allen is progressing and he's playing an important role helping to facilitate these Wins. Enjoy watching the team success and the ability of our coaches to develop Allen they way THEY want to. If you think he should be developed in another manner, go to One Bills Drive and put in an application for Head Coach.

The Bills are 11-8 with Allen as a starting QB. They're doing something good with him. And before you say that Allen doesn't factor into that record, there's only one game Allen played an entire game and threw the ball less than 20 times and that was vs. Jacksonville last year coming back from his injury and I think that's a game most would agree Allen was integral to that victory. As we say every year

Allen wasn't dreadful as a rookie. You just must not have watched him play. He played on a team with inferior offensive talent. Wide receivers and Tight Ends couldn't pull in contested catches. The OL couldn't protect him. Allen was a struggling rookie who showed some promise. That's common among rookies who go on to be successful in the NFL. @oldmanfan has had it right in this conversation with you. You can't compare Allen with Lamar Jackson or other QBs across the league the way you are in an apples to apples comparison because you always factor in coaching and gameplan. The coaching and gameplan is clearly to run things about as conservatively as possible in order to minimize potential mistakes by their young QB in order to win NOW. Basically, they've raised the floor a lot for Allen, but they're also keeping his ceiling lower in the process. Now, this isn't sustainable for his whole career, but you saw something similar with Big Ben early in his career in order to foster team success, while still trying to develop the young QB. I admit, I get frustrated with Daboll and McDermott in this respect, but this is what I believe they are trying to do. So yes, you can clearly compare Allen to last year and just see that he's significantly improved. And that's a good thing for Bills fans.

Back then Kelly's stats looked good? How old are you?

Look at our schedule. We might end up being 9-2 and still be dismissed because "they haven't played anybody." Frustrating, but oh well. Patriots haven't played anybody other than the Bills or Ravens. They got clobbered by the Ravens the way Buffalo did by the Eagles and they could have lost to the Bills if not for that ST TD and knocking Allen out of the game. The national media is just silly. Cowboys got smashed by the Jets. Packers got crushed by the Chargers. Ravens got pummeled by the Browns. Those teams are all somehow legitimate contenders. We're an afterthought. And we will be for at least the rest of November in all likelihood. Thanksgiving in Dallas is our first real opportunity all season to show we're a "real team." And the funny thing is we could potentially be 9-2 by that time. If that plays out, we'll still just be considered "pretenders" if we lose that game, even at 9-3. No one watches or cares about the Bills.

Of course we can't tell. But once again, no every team does not control their own destiny to the #1 seed at this point. I was actually incorrect earlier. There are really only 2 teams that control their own path to the #1 seed: Pats & Bills Ravens would need the Pats to lose one more. This isn't about speculating. It's just a fact that we've played half of our games this season and we control our own path to the #1 seed. Forgive me, but I think that's a pretty awesome thing considering we were 2-6 at this point last year. I don't think we're going 14-2. I think we're going 11-5 or 12-4. But who knows?

No, they do not control their own destiny as far as the #1 seed is concerned. For any of them to get the #1 seed, they need both the Bills and Ravens to lose at least 1 more and the Patriots to lose at least 2 more. That's just the simple truth.

Not until the Bills and Ravens lose at least 1 more game and Patriots lose at least 2 more.

Why do you think we should wait until after we've played our last game before we consider this?

No they don't. Right now there are only 3 teams in the AFC that control their own destiny to the #1 seed: Patriots, Bills, Ravens

Conference Record would be the tiebreaker before SoS and the Bills would have a better conference record.

Won't that be week 16? that game has a decent chance of being flexed.

Yep. And I was wrong there. Allen has really improved, but I think Daboll and the gameplans are designed to hold him back. I thought Daboll might have legitimately been the next offensive genius, but instead he's just an inconsistent, often conservative and sometimes downright awful playcaller. No worries, I own being wrong there and the 2 bets I made to @GunnerBill and @Foxx I concede their victories already. Nonetheless, the OP here is correct. Bills control their destiny to the #1 seed at this point, and considering we're halfway through the season and that we were 2-6 at this point last year, that's an amazing thing. Personally, I don't think we will be the #1 seed. I think we'll be 11-5, maybe 12-4 and the #5 seed. But that doesn't change that we have a clear path to homefield advantage throughout the playoffs... though with the way Buffalo plays at home, I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing.

Because the Bills and Pats can't both win out. We play them week 16.

Also... if we were considering this a 3 team race to the 1 seed with the Ravens, Bills and Patriots, well here are their opponents remaining records, not including the games they play each other (meaning I'm excluding the Bills from the Patriots schedule, vice versa, and the Bills from the Ravens schedule and vice versa) Ravens opponents: 45.6% win % Patriots opponents: 44% win % Bills opponents: 31.3% win %

Pats losing to the Ravens tonight seals that. Buffalo is being overlooked by absolutely everyone as a good team. But we've also beaten every team we were "supposed" to beat. Who cares how it looked? Seahawks went to overtime against an inferior 2 win Bucs team with a turnover prone QB. Will the conversation be about how the 'Hawks are in trouble? Probably not. Packers lost to the 3-5 Chargers today. They're still going to be talked about as a legitimate Super contenders and this game will likely be an afterthought. Patriots have only beaten one team with a winning record: that was Buffalo and it was by 6 points in a game that they had a fluke ST TD and knocked our starting QB out for the entire 4th quarter. Tonight they got dominated like we did last week against the Eagles. So that leaves the Ravens. We play them. They stomped the Patriots. But they also got stomped by the 2 win Cleveland Browns. It's not like they're unbeatable. Wins are Wins and any team in the NFL can win in any given week, so don't overlook anyone! Just keep winning Buffalo!!!

No, it was a convincing win. But it wasn't the dominant win I think we've all been waiting for. Weird choices on the part of the coaches today. No challenge flag on that long 3rd down pass to Brown? 3 of the exact same play on the goal line? Running that little shovel pass to McKenzie twice in like 10-15 plays? Going for it on 4th and a very long 1 in easy Hauschka range where you could put the game up by 14 rather than 11? The predictable play call on 4th and a very long 1 in easy Hauschka range where you could put the game up by 14 rather than 11 after Gore was already stuffed on 3 straight goal line plays earlier? Bein honest... I think we have our QB... I'm not as confident we have our coaches--mainly our OC...

Yep. We have a coaching problem significantly more than a QB problem. Whether it's McDermott or Daboll, they need to get their crap together!!! That said. Look what happened this week in the NFL. In the end, we won by 15 points and we were never in serious peril today. All good.

Did he ever really have the long ball? Honestly it's looked like Allen has really excelled in the NFL intermediate throws between 10-25 yards. Those are the throws where accuracy and arm strength really matter because they're the plays with defenders all around. And so far, that's where Allen has excelled. I'll take that. He'll hit a long ball or two by the end of the year. But those intermediate ones are the bread and butter of an NFL QB, and that's where he's really improved.

Bills just won so I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is a serious question about the plausibility of the poll. This poll only has 9 candidates listed and there are still about double that. GO BILLS!!!