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Sonofa!!!! Having in-laws over exactly at the time that game was starting. Now I've gotta actually talk to them?!?! *****!!!

Thanks for correcting me. I heard it yesterday and wanted to post it when I heard it. Figured a day would distort that memory. Ahhh yeah thanks for bringing that one up. Heard that, too. Who were the teams on his list again? I think I remember Seattle, San Diego, Kansas City... ? I do still disagree to a degree. As @Hapless Bills Fan kinda insinuated earlier, "hater" may be too harsh a word but my impression is he doesn't like Allen but can't get away with criticizing a young top 10 QB at this point... so he's got his criticism in a box for now.

As if on cue, Cowherd had his "Herd Hierarchy" yesterday and again put the Bills at #5. He spoke almost entirely about our Defense and then at the end said (this is fairly close to a direct quote) "Their QB worries me. Turns the ball over too much. But he's an INCREDIBLE athlete." Allen has rushed for 75 yards combined in the last 3 weeks. What he's done this year is win games with his arm. It seems clear Cowherd is just waiting to pounce when Allen has a "typical Allen game" as defined widely by the media over the last few years.

I remember. I was wrong about my evaluation about Taylor on the whole. We all have our misses. None of our exercises with Taylor were broken down by the simple measures here. We were playing around with ball placement, which was certainly more subjective. Catchable vs. Uncatchable measuring accuracy is an entire debate you'll find in that thread. But once again, an UNCATCHABLE ball is obviously inaccurate. And those are pretty easy to measure. But measuring all those passes more than 8-10 feet wide and over 10 feet wide does. Measuring those really bad passes equals those "wildly inaccurate" throws Josh Allen was supposedly so much more prone to than all those other rookie QBs. And even you can go and look for just those throws and I'm confident even you will notice that Allen is not any more consistently "wildly inaccurate" than other QBs. As for those other passes that are "catchable," all I can say is: try the exercise rather than pursuing your Ad Hominem attack. I have my plays mostly annotated and noted. I did that largely in loving memory of you. Do you want to ask me about an individual play? Ahhhhh.... showing your stripes I see. Always thought you were a bit of a troll whose primary goal was to obfuscate.... glad you finally admit it. Don't know if you celebrate Thanksgiving as a transplant in Japan, but have a good one if you do.

I don't know if you actually felt this way and felt you were the only person who felt this way, but Thurm is right for once. Pretty well documented on here that I loathed the Josh Allen pick on draft day and quickly jumped on the pick after we drafted him. I get that it all has to be about you. But you definitely weren't the only one who went from "hate to exuberance."

And yet it's pretty obvious that any ball that is UNCATCHABLE would also be inaccurate and Allen threw a lower percentage of UNCATCHABLE passes (when excluding Throwaways) than Wentz, Watson, Mayfield, Watson, Jackson, and Rosen. I'm guessing those would be those "wildly inaccurate" passes you referred to with Allen. If you actually watched him and watched all those other rookie QBs their rookie years, you would realize that Allen was not any less consistently inaccurate (since that's a term I'm sure you'd agree one doesn't need to quibble with as there's no variance of an uncatchable ball with good ball placement Not when you remember that any uncatchable pass is also obviously inaccurate. Passes within reach of at least one of the WRs hands is a catchable football. Fingertips and beyond is not. That's it. It's significantly less difficult to evaluate that than it is ball placement. Of course there's some subjectivity. But I used those same measurements for every single QB, so the standards for the others were the same. What I thought of which plays? I provide examples in that thread.

Same ole Thurm. Glad to know you haven't changed. If you want to dismiss the exercise then do it by watching every single pass from all 7 of those QBs in their rookie years, collate the data, and let's compare. I make the methodology as objective as possible without considering ball placement... you can find it here: I doubt you'll find anything other than the fact that Allen was no less consistently accurate than your typical NFL rookie 1st round QB starting in year 1

Yes. Agree with pretty much all of this based on what I hear from Cowherd.

Depends on what you mean by "comparing." If it relates to an expectation of where Allen should already be, it's silly. If it's the target, it's fine. But Allen’s distance to that target was really no different than your typical highly touted rookie QB as far as accuracy was concerned. Decision making was another matter, and THAT’S been his most drastic improvement, not accuracy.

Pretty objective actually. I broke it down by simply catchable vs uncatchable for the WR. Ball within reach of the hands or not. No judgment on ball placement... just if it was a catchable football or not. And ultimately Allen threw a LOWER percentage of uncatchable footballs than some surprising rookie QBs. Basically, Allen looked like every other promising 1st round rookie QB starting in year 1. I can't speak for the national pundits other than to say it's hard for anyone to admit they were wrong and it's even harder when it's on national TV. Just listen to Troy Aikman's analysis of Allen as he commentated on him during the KC game. Depends on what you mean by "comparing." If it relates to an expectation of where Allen should already be, it's silly. If it's the target, it's fine. But Allen’s distance to that target was really no different than your typical highly touted rookie QB as far as accuracy was concerned. Decision making was another matter, and THAT’S been his most drastic improvement, not accuracy.

As stated already, this simply isn't true.

Compared with his peer group, which would be highly drafted rookie QBs starting in year 1, Allen’s accuracy was just fine. Comparing rookie Allen with Tom Brady or Drew Brees is silly.

As someone who watched every single rookie pass from Allen multiple times and then also watched every single rookie pass by Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Baker Mayfield, Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, Carson Wentz and Jared Goff, I can tell you that Josh Allen’s accuracy was just fine if you're comparing him to his peer group of other 1st round QBs starting in the NFL in their 1st year. The narrative that he has more to fix in the area of accuracy than other highly touted rookie NFL QBs after their rookie season was incorrect.

Felt deserving of its own thread. Like many I hated the pick when we got him, but quickly saw what he could be. And as someone who watched and scrutinized EVERY snap of Allen’s (and Mayfield's and Rosen's and Darnold's and Jackson's and Wentz's and Watson's and Goff's) rookie year, I really got sick of all the arguments over Allen being inaccurate when decision making is what was (and still is, at times) his problem. His accuracy has improved, but he was accurate even as a rookie. Anyway, enjoy... https://theathletic.com/2204066/2020/11/19/josh-allen-buffalo-bills?source=user-shared-article When Derek Anderson got to Buffalo in October 2018, the Bills’ quarterback room was in disarray. ... Before long, though, Allen didn’t make Anderson feel old at all. It was the opposite. Watching the way Allen loved everything about being in the building was contagious. “He gave me new life,” Anderson said. “He energized me and made me love the game more.” ... Yet so much of what Allen has shown in 2020 was there in flashes in 2018. And so much of what happened in 2018 helped make him the quarterback he is in 2020. ... But those who were there saw the hints of greatness in Allen. Only four other offensive players from the 2018 Bills are left on the 2020 team. Anderson, who retired after the 2018 season because of a concussion he suffered that year, watches every game closely. Anderson’s son loves to cheer for his friend Josh, so the Bills games are on every Sunday in the Anderson house. And because of how quickly Anderson developed a friendship with Allen and Matt Barkley, who joined the quarterback room a few weeks after Anderson, he still FaceTimes them after games and chats with offensive coordinator Brian Daboll on a weekly basis. He’s seen Allen’s breakout year through the perspective of someone who saw his struggles in 2018. “He’s done a great job of knowing when a play is over, getting the ball down to guys underneath and not really having the feeling that he’s got to be the guy that always makes the play,” Anderson said. “I think that’s kind of been the biggest thing I’ve seen over the past couple of years is taking the easy completions, taking the shots when they’re there and protecting the football.” ... Isaiah McKenzie, another midseason pickup in 2018, is the only receiver left on the roster from Allen’s rookie season. As Beane has aggressively added talent to that position group, McKenzie has found a way to survive and get a front row seat to Allen’s development. After Allen’s 400-yard, four-touchdown game against the Seahawks, McKenzie said Allen looks like a completely different quarterback than the one he saw when he arrived in Buffalo. “The mistakes he made in 2018 and 2019, you don’t see those anymore,” McKenzie said. “He’s a whole new person. It’s the same Josh, but it’s just like his decision making is way better. He’s doing things with the ball that I haven’t see a lot of quarterbacks do.” ... What Anderson tried to instill in Allen was work habits. It’s not that Allen wasn’t a willing worker early in his career but he didn’t necessarily know how to work. Preparing for games in the Mountain West is different than being an NFL quarterback. Talent can’t carry you as far in the NFL as it can in college. By the time he got to Buffalo, Anderson had established a preparation routine that worked for him. He always made sure he was among the first players in the building and he was always at least one day ahead on the plays and concepts the team would be working on during practice. He would get to the building first, work out and have watched at least 45 minutes of film before his teammates arrived. At that point in his career, Anderson had a feel for what it meant to be a successful mentor. He took notes on what worked during Newton’s rookie season in Carolina. He wasted no time relaying those to Allen, because he saw the same special potential if Allen got the right guidance. ... The toughness and leadership presented themselves early. Teammates still talk about when he hurdled over Anthony Barr in the Bills’ upset win over Minnesota early in his rookie season. McKenzie points to the road game against the Dolphins in which Allen totaled four touchdowns in a narrow loss as the first hint that he could be Buffalo’s guy. ... Expecting improvement is one thing, but Allen’s rise has been meteoric. In his first two NFL seasons, Allen didn’t throw for 300 yards in a game once. He’s done it five times this season. His completion percentage has jumped 15.6 percentage points from his rookie season. Even his advanced metrics like DVOA, QBR and PFF grade have all taken substantial jumps. He’s improved throwing the ball to all three levels of the field. Anderson remembers when Allen couldn’t hit the easy screen throws in 2018. This season, Allen has 13 touchdowns on passes thrown within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage.

Looks like that's what they're grooming Epenesa to be

I can see this is going to turn into a 10 page discussion debating Buffalo cuisine rather than talking about the Diggs interview

I think playoff positioning might be less important this year than any other year except for the #1 seed, but yeah, we could.

He's entertaining. I actually didn't hear the segment where he said Josh outplayed Kyler. Do you know what he said? Was this on Monday? In his top 10 rankings on Tuesday he put the Cards at 10 (I think) and the Bills at 5, but he didn't really talk at all about Josh as the reason for the Bills being at 5. I think it's fair to say that Cowherd doesn't talk very much about Josh and it's probably because he was so critical of him for a good length of time. That was Diggs? I thought it was Davis. I can't even tell from looking at the image.

Me too. All our night games start between 3-3:30 Hawaiian time. I don't have to feel guilty about drinking at that time

Luckily we play them in Buffalo

Just to be clear... They don't "infect" another poor site. They created it.

He's so far lost it's ridiculous. I really did think he'd be honorable enough to abide by the terms of our bet. I know I would have if I lost. Silly me for thinking the better of people. Right now he's over there quoting me and mentioning me constantly calling me the enemy. For every time he posts or quotes me, I respond by asking if he'll abide by the terms of the bet yet and give a new Biden image every time. The funny thing is: the people over there actually believe he's credible and knowledgeable