Logic

This thread got gross fast.

I personally happen to think that Adam Gase is a bad head coach. It seems like he lost the locker room in Miami. There seemed to be lots of infighting and leaks and players speaking out about their unhappiness. Jordan Phillips, for one, couldn't WAIT to get out of there. Gase even publicly called out his players a few times to the media. I was quite pleased when the Jets both kept Mike McCagnen as GM AND hired Adam Gase as head coach. That was a good day to be a Bills fan.

I'm just gonna say it in every single thread mentioning the Giants: Gettleman is a terrible GM without a cohesive, logical vision for his team. I am EXTREMELY glad he is not the GM of MY favorite team. The Giants could be entering 2019 with, say, a core of Sam Darnold, Odell Beckham, and Derrius Guice. In this scenario, the money they're NOT spending on Eli could be spent on retaining Landon Collins. Instead, Gettleman picks a RUNNING BACK over a franchise QB, pays Eli $23million, watches Landon Collins walk away, and trades away Odell Beckham. I mean....that is just staggering. I am speechless. I am without speech. Gettleman is the absolute worst.

You're 100% right. He's a Hall of Famer. And yet, if you were to ask long time football fans to make their "top 10 all time running backs" list, I'd be willing to bet that very few would feature Curtis Martin

Clearly. The question is how did he go from being so good on the field that another team tried to steal him away to being so bad that he was benched and didn't get re-signed?

LeSean McCoy. Seriously. This dude is the closest thing to Barry Sanders since, well....Barry Sanders. Because he has never had much postseason success, and because he has played the second half of his career in Buffalo (which, in terms of national eyes on the team, may as well be the Atlanta Legends), he is not talked about much. Or at least, not as much as his trascendent talent level should dictate. Frank Gore, also. Top five all time in NFL rushing yards. His longevity and consistency -- especially considering the injuries he had in college -- are insane. Funny that these two guys now comprise the Buffalo Bills backfield. What a time to be alive.

Remember when the Rams tried to sign him to an offer sheet, but the Bills matched and kept him? Now he's just sitting out there without a job. I wonder what the heck happened.

Agreed. It starts with the fact that McDermott and Beane identified and drafted (or signed via UDFA) what appears to be a high quality starting trio in White, Wallace, and Johnson. This allowed them to then roll the dice on two injury prone but extremely talented cornerbacks in Gaines and Johnson. If one or both of them stay healthy, the Bills have outstanding depth in the secondary for the first time in a long time. It's impressive how quickly they turned over the secondary and turned it from a question mark into a major strength.

That's true. In continuing to think about this....I also think that Levi Wallace has a chance to be damn good. Ditto Taron Johnson. If my feeling is correct, the Bills have a starting three locked in on cheap deals for the next 4 years. There simply isn't space for a high draftee at corner to get significant snaps. I suppose the only way you feel good about it is if you think the draftee would be an upgrade over Wallace, which would push him out of the job and relegate him to "1st off the bench" status. Personally, though, I want to give Wallace a chance to shine as CB2. And it's not as if they're not going to make him earn it. He'll have serious competition from EJ Gaines (who we already know can be a good CB2 for this team) and Kevin Johnson (a guy with 1st round pedigree). And even IF one of those two guys beats out Levi Wallace, what's top stop the Bills from re-signing them and STILL having their top 3 locked in? At the end of the day, if a cornerback is truly the no-doubt-about-it BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE when their 2nd or 3rd round pick came up and they decided to take him, so be it. I'm not gonna freak out or anything. I realize the importance of cornerbacks to football in the year 2019. I just think there are better avenues to take this year.

Normally I'm tooootally with you, Yolo. I even think there's a decent chance they WOULD draft a corner early...say, a Rock Ya Sin, for instance. But like I said, for just one year...just ONE YEAR, I'd like to see them not take a corner high. If they want to take a flyer in the 4th or later, I'm all for it. I just don't see the sense in bringing in what would in all likelihood be the 6th corner on the depth chart. You want to draft guys you're sure can make your roster. I know Johnson and Gaines are injury prone, but it's hard for me to envision a 2nd or 3rd round rookie beating one of them out for a job. So you say "well what about NEXT year and the year after that?"...but we have a DRAFT next year, not to mention $100 million in cap space. Typically I'm a "take a corner every year" guy, but the way they've set up their roster this year, they're rock solid from the 1-5 spot, in my opinion. Even the 6 and 7 spots, with Lewis and Pitts, aren't so bad. Those guys played real snaps for us last year and weren't liabilities. 4th or later? Take your shot. In the first three rounds, though, when the Bills NEED a TE, DT, Edge, OT, WR, RB, and Strong side LB? I just don't see it as the best use of resources THIS YEAR.

Rashan Gary makes me nervous for some reason. Any cornerback before the 4th round, because White, Wallace, and Johnson seem to be the locked in starting trio. If the answer is "for competition and depth!", I say: Why did we sign Kevin Johnson and EJ Gaines and hang on to Ryan Lewis and Lafayette Pitts, then? Normally I'm all for drafting a corner every year. After solidifying our starting three and signing Johnson and Gaines, though, I'm against using a day 1 or 2 pick on a corner this year. It just doesn't make any sense from a roster building standpoint, and the Bills have too many other needs.

How did you get a second 1st round pick without giving up either your 2nd or 3rd round picks? Seems impossible.

It IS legit. It's all but verified. And given that the person who shared the picture of the employee forgot to black out his employee bar code, I'd venture to guess that this action got the leaker fired.

Outstanding post! Thanks very much for this!

You are such a model of consistency. Like a McDonalds or a Tim Horton's.

In the case of the Allen leak, it was an intern that took a picture of the white board on which they had written their QB rankings. Said intern then put the photo on Twitter for the world to see, and he did it BEFORE the draft. The best laid plans of mice and men...

Changing out of wet clothes.

I was an "anyone but Allen" guy. Once Mayfield and Darnold were off the board, I wanted Rosen to be the pick. When it was announced that "The Buffalo Bills select Josh...", the 1 second between the words "Josh" and "Allen" took 10 years off my life. I wanted it so badly to be Rosen. At this point -- with the caveat that its still too early to say and will be for another year or two -- it looks like I was wrong, and the Allen folks were right. If that turns out to be the case, it will be the most excited I've ever been in my life to be completely wrong.

Reading through the thread, the main thing that strikes me is how QUICKLY most of the members in this thread (and Bills fans at large) did a 180 on Josh Allen. That thread is just full of heartbreak, people saying "I'm gonna be sick", swearing off Bills fanhood forever, calling for the firing of Beane, etc, etc... Fast forward a year, and now? For the most part, Bills fans LOVE Josh Allen! Call it stockholm syndrome, call it wishful thinking, call it a survival tactic...at the end of the day, Allen won people over pretty quickly. The biggest reason, I think, is his heart. I mean, we all saw what he could do PHYSICALLY, sure. Running around Kiko Alonso all day and hurdling over Anthony Barr didn't hurt...but it's the way that he lays it all out there on the field and isn't afraid and does absolutely everything within his power to win that has endeared him to so many, so fast. A credit to Josh, his character, and his play as a rookie.

I agree with the "all time running back stable" superiority of the Bills. I made a similar post earlier in this thread. The Bears (with Sayers and Payton and Bronco Nagurski), The Cowboys (Tony Dorsett, Emmitt Smith, Herschel Walker), and the Browns (Brown, Little, Kelly) all have an argument, but the Bills win this one.

Pretty much the same for me. It's too early for me to say that you or I were COMPLETELY wrong and that Josh is a guaranteed success. At the very least, I can say I'm glad he's a Bill, I'm glad the Bills picked him over Rosen, he's a hell of a leader and a hell of an exciting player to watch, and I think his chance to be a great QB outweigh his chances of being a total bust. His floor is much higher than I thought. His ceiling remains to be seen.

Except that they really, really ARE in the same league. They produced about the same college numbers (in spite of your unprovable hypothetical about non-injury). They're both between 6'4 and 6'5. They both run a 4.3ish 40. They both have/had less than desirable change of direction skills. They both ran an extremely limited route tree. They both look dynamite in shorts and a t-shirt. I'm not saying they're identical prospects, but the comparison to Hill is WAY more accurate/reasonable than your comparison to RANDY FREAKING MOSS. I mean...What am I missing?

DK Metcalf had 1,200 yards and 14 TDs across three college seasons. He ran a 4.33. Stephen Hill had 1,200 yards and 9 TDs across three college seasons. He ran a 4.36 Randy Moss had 1,800 yards and 26 touchdowns in ONE COLLEGE SEASON ALONE. He ran a 4.25. The Randy Moss comparisons are ludicrous to me. Just like Stephen Hill, Metcalf is a huge, fast guy with limited change of direction who never produced big numbers in college and whose defenders say "it wasn't his fault his offense used him poorly!" I see more of a chance of Metcalf becoming Hill than Moss, but that's just me.

Am I the only dude alive who thinks Arizona should keep Rosen AND draft Murray? A QB competition between two high-potential 1st rounders? That sounds like the best way I can think of to be as sure as you can that you've found a franchise QB. You can still trade whoever loses the competition later on. You don't HAVE to trade Rosen now. The only way this wouldn't make sense is if they sense Rosen is going to be a disgruntled turd about it. If that's the case, then he wasn't worth the 1st to begin with.