Logic

Sure. Let's say Kyler Murray, Rashan Gary, and Drew Lock. Who ya got?

Apples and oranges. Imagine Josh Allen had the exact rookie season that he did....but THIS season, a brand new coaching staff with a new offense came in, everyone nationally knew that the team planned to draft a different QB, and the future outlook for Allen involved either having to battle a #1 overall pick for the job or get traded to a place he had no control over. Would Josh Allen survive THAT reality? I like to think he would, but there's no way to know.

In Joe Buscaglia's most recent mock draft, he drew up a scenario in which Quinnen Williams, Ed Oliver, Josh Allen, Nick Bosa, and Montez Sweat are all gone before the Bills pick at 9. If this scenario were to play out, and the Bills were UNABLE to trade back for extra picks, who would you take? I make that proviso because I have the feeling that just about every reply on this thread would be "trade down". Well, suppose you CAN'T trade down here. The phones aren't ringing. Who do you take?

I'm not sure what the Cardinals are waiting for. If, as expected, they plan to take Kyler Murray, then why wait on trading Rosen? I suppose they figure the trade market will only improve as the draft nears. Instead, the opposite seems to be happening. It makes sense. Teams can't wait around forever. I have to be honest: I feel bad for Rosen here. He was drafted by a bad team, put in a position in which very few quarterbacks could have succeeded, and then his team got new leadership and gave up on him after one season. His potential future outcomes now include either sticking around in Arizona and having to battle a #1 overall pick that the new staff hand picked to be "their guy", or going to his second team in as many years, having to learn a completely new offense, new teammates, new city....No matter how it shakes out, the early circumstances in his career are making it unlikely that he's going to reach the heights that he may have had he been drafted into a more sound structure. A shame.

As a matter of fact, he had to bail out and run for his life SO often that I kind of wonder: Now that he'll actually HAVE a solid offensive line that holds up in pass protection, is he still going to get happy feet and bail out anyway, just out of habit and seeing ghosts? One certainly hopes not. That can be a fatal condition for QBs. Something tells me he'll be just fine.

WRs the second most important position behind QB? I don't think that's the case at all. Agree to disagree. Order of importance: 1. QB 2. Those who protect YOUR QB and those who negatively affect the OPPOSING QB (Edge, Corner, Penetrating DT)

Offensive skill players contribute to more wins than linemen? In what universe?!

I'm just talking about THIS draft with THESE prospects. It appears as though there will be multiple defensive linemen and offensive linemen with 1st round grades available when the Bills pick. In terms of positional value and importance to team building, I'm saying that offensive and defensive lineman are more valuable than, say, a tight end or wide receiver. A quarterback obviously has the highest value among any position, but the Bills already picked a QB last year, so it's irrelevant to this year's Bills draft discussion. When looking just at THIS draft class for THIS team and where they pick in round 1, I'm saying I'll be happy as long as they pick someone to either protect our quarterback or attack the other team's quarterback.

Just pick a big ugly and I'll be happy. OL, DL, I don't care. Win in the trenches and you win ball games.

The only thing I can say is that I have to trust Daboll's judgement in this matter, to some degree, since he worked with him and got to see him up close and personal. Also, if they draft him at 9, it's got to be seen as an indication that they think he can play tackle in the NFL. I doubt they'd spend the 9th pick on someone they view strictly as a guard. IF they think he can play tackle, I'm fine with picking him. Dawkins, Morse, and Williams as our building blocks and foundation sounds pretty good to me. At the end of the day, anything that gives Josh Allen an improved chance at success has to be viewed as good pick. Williams should do that. I'd still prefer someone else, but I won't pretend that I know better than a guy that actually coached him in college.

Fair enough. For what it's worth, the Chargers have met or plan to meet with every "1st round caliber" QB in this draft other than Murray. So it's not as if I pulled the notion out of my ass. The real Chargers, in real life, are at least considering drafting a QB with their 1st or 2nd round pick. But hey, we're all entitled to our opinions....just as we're entitled to follow people whose mock draft selection we didn't like to new threads to continue to point out why they're wrong for disagreeing with us.

lol. Still salty?

If this is true, I'd bet the order of preference goes 1. Oliver 2. Williams 3. Dillard Just a guess.

I'll take the Redskins, is they're still available.

And once again, we must point out that the "offseason has reached its low point" thread was posted a bit too early.

@ROCBillsBeliever I forgot to say yesterday that I did a bit more reading and clip watching of Harold's time in Detroit. I was wrong, and you were right. He DID play SAM in Detroit. He HAS played it in a 4-3 defense. Mea culpa.

EVERY. *****. YEAR!!!!

I am speechless. I am without speech.

It's funny how that stuff works. A lot of Bills fans would have LOVED to have Vince Young or Matt Leinart when those guys came out. Sure enough, both of them became Buffalo Bills at one point. To top it off, the other big picks from that draft that we would have killed for at the time were Mario Williams and Reggie Bush. Both of THEM became Bills, too. And remember the 2013 draft? The one in which we wound up with EJ Manuel? We had lots of really fierce Matt Barkley boosters who badly wanted to see him be the pick. Draft magazines that year were touting him as a 1st round pick. He fell all the way to the FOURTH ROUND. And now? He's a Buffalo Bill. Weird.

Was at this game. Truly thought the tide had turned in the rivalry and the Bills were about to have a playoff season. I didn't want to leave once the game was over. I basically stayed in the stadium until they kicked me out. I even walked down to the rail near the field and asked a security guard for a piece of the turf. He said "I'm not really supposed to do that", but then looked around, shrugged, and tore up a piece of turf for me. What a game!

Enjoy that misery.

Oh, I see. You have an over the top negative opinion about the two men that are likely be the heart and soul of the Buffalo Bills for the next decade. Got it. You must have been shocked when Josh Allen strafed the Dolphins for 5 TDs in week 17 and Tremaine Edmunds finished his rookie season with 121 tackles, 2 sacks, 2 FF, and 2 INTs. Busts, both.

What exactly do you mean by this?

I don't believe that's true. I don't think he's EVER played SAM in the NFL. He was an outside linebacker for the 49ers, but they play a 3-4. As such, he was an edge rusher there. He was then, if I'm not mistaken, strictly an edge rusher for the Lions in their 4-3 defense. I'm not saying he CAN'T do it in the NFL, but I don't think he ever HAS done it.

For all those saying he'll likely play SAM for the Bills: I doubt it. When the Bills sign players, they tend to list them on their little publicity graphics as the position they will play for the team. For instance, Maurice Alexander, even though he's primarily been a safety in his career, was listed as a linebacker. The fact that Harold is listed as a DE leads me to believe that he'll be playing DE.