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That stuff about San Jose State was my favorite. Ouch. Very ouch.

They have asked for a 2nd, yes. The reports I have read seem to indicate that there are zero teams willing to give that up for McCoy. Given his age and given Tampa Bay's downright bizarre infatuation with trading him, I feel like the earlier of the Bills' two 4th round picks could get the job done. I have no way of knowing this for sure, of course.

Fair enough. I certainly understand this point of view. If I'm not mistaken, I believe there hasn't been a single negative blip on his radar since he was drafted. The Seahawks tout his exemplary behavior and leadership. I also happen to be in the camp that thinks he's a top 5 edge rusher in this league. To give up essentially two 2nd round picks for a 25-year-old, top 5 edge rusher? I'm totally fine with that. As for the pay, well...we can afford it. That's the flexibility that a rookie QB window gives you.

I'm just gonna say this and it's okay if I'm totally in the minority: I'm fine with the Bills taking Williams at 9. A decade+, high quality starting offensive lineman that will set the tone along the o-line with his work ethic and study habits. We could do a lot worse.

To be honest, I think a swap of 1sts and either Shaq or Murphy seems reasonable. If they don't want that, then a swap of 1sts and a 2nd round pick next year works for me, as well. They're NOT just getting a 1st round pick outright, I don't believe. I'd be fine with making this same deal for Clowney, by the way. As for Gerald McCoy, the Bills should trade one of their 4th round picks and consider it a huge win. Can you imagine a d-line of Hughes, Star, McCoy, and Clark?! With the "Philips Bros", Trent, and Harold as the rotational guys? Sounds incredible to me. It would also "finish" the d-line for the time being, allowing them to use their 9 draft picks this year to continue to build around Allen.

A reasonable thought, but the cost of moving all the way up to #3 seems higher than we're willing to pay. It would likely mean giving up my two 1sts AND my 2nd, and even THAT might not be enough. Not only that, but I don't believe there are any impact players worth moving up for at the positions the Packers need to fill in this draft (OT, OG, ILB, S, TE). I'll keep pondering it, but it's a probable "no" from me.

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The Green Bay Packers feel like they covered their biggest needs pretty well in free agency and are thus open to moving down from the 12th spot. The phone lines are open, let's make a deal.

When I saw that this thread had come back to the front page and clicked on it, I was not expecting that it would contain 4 pictures of Zero's wife. The bosom-y shot was particularly out of left field. And also...it made me like him more? Is that weird? I mean, it takes brass balls to just be like "here's a picture of my wife in a mild state of undress, you heathen football loving strangers!". So....props.

Meh. The lack of competition is what "killed" wrestling, if you want to look at it that way. In the years after WCW died, Vince had no competition, and his product got stale. It was only the rise in popularity of ROH, TNA, Chikara, Lucha Underground, etc (i.e. new legitimate competition) that has begun to re-invigorate the product. The business is and always has been cyclical. It has boom periods and down periods. The late 80s under Hulk Hogan were obviously a boom period, then the WWE (then WWF) hit a lull for a long time. The steroid scandal, guys like Hulk and Macho Man leaving, etc, had Vince McMahon almost to the point of bankruptcy. Then the product hit the biggest boom its ever seen in the late 90s with the Monday Night Wars and Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock. Since the end of that boom, wrestling hasn't quite reached the same highs in popular culture. On the other hand, it's definitely not dying a death or anything. If you tune into Wrestlemania in any given year, you see them selling out football stadiums, with 80,000 fans in attendance. They're an international product and a multi-BILLION dollar industry, complete with their own streaming platform and crossover starts like John Cena and Dave Batista. Is it what it once was? No. I agree with you there. But the business is cyclical, and it's doing just fine as it is.

I like the Crosby, Howard, Wesco, and Wishnowsky picks. The Bills have had visits with Crosby, Wesco, and Howard, so those are all realistic picks. I view the Christian Wilkins pick as quite realistic, as well. Due to his extremely high character, his history of consistent production and versatility, and his alpha dog mentality, I could ABSOLUTELY see him being our pick in the 1st round. I would ESPECIALLY be on board with it if we traded down 1st and gained an extra 2nd round pick.

I take it you've never tried cannabis?

I just wanted to chime in and say, apropos of nothing, that I really like the NXT product as of late. Specifically, the Takeover: New York event was excellent. The Gargano vs Cole match was OUTSTANDING. Ditto the tag title match and the UK Title match. I'm an old school wrestling fan. I spend an inordinate amount of time watching old WCW and WWF on the WWE Network. I also spend an inordinate amount of time watching shoot interviews, reading books about wrestling, and reading wrestlecrap.com rants and the like. So to an extent, I'm still kind of wrestling obsessed...I just happen to be obsessed with the wrestling I watched when I grew up. I only VERY CASUALLY follow today's WWE product. I know most of the names and profiles, and I tune into the "Big 3" PPVs ever year. Aside from that, I fade in and out. I just don't care the way I used to. I will say this, though: The period between, say, 2002 and 2012 was a lost decade for me, as far as WWE goes. That whole Cena/Orton/Batista era is just a snooze-fest for me. Triple H taking over and instituting NXT was the best thing that could've possibly happened to WWE. He basically saved it completely and now has it to where it's about as good a product as it's ever been. He FINALLY talked McMahon out of avoiding indie and ROH and NJPW guys like the plague. They also rightly recognized that there's a huge market for actual quality work rate wrestling. Now they poach anyone worth poaching, and they have the deep, awesome roster to show for it. Raw, Smackdown, NXT, NXT UK, 205 Live, etc, etc....They're in a very strong place going forward. Getting back to my original comment, I find the NXT matches and characters to be VASTLY more entertaining than the current main roster product. My current favorites (from all rosters) are probably Adam Cole (Bay Bay!), Aleister Black, Shinsuke Nakamura, Daniel Bryan, Sami Zayn, Ricochet, and Johnny Gargano. I'm a big work rate guy.

I will agree with this. While it is not physically addictive, it absolutely can be mentally/emotionally addictive. To be fair, though, so can television and social media. Everything in moderation.

Packers are my top choice. Texans second. Chiefs or Colts if neither of those is available.

Fair enough. I'm of the opinion that Edmunds shouldn't be moved from his current spot, but if White WERE to be drafted, then what you say would definitely be the way to go.

1.) Feel free to provide proof of your claim at any time. 2.) I suppose you believe alcohol should be illegal, too? Alcohol, of course, is VASTLY more likely to cause psychosis than cannabis. The fact that you're doubling down on your claim that a person 10 days removed from consuming cannabis is still so impaired that they can't discuss a topic on an internet message board illustrates my previous point: You're out of your depth on this issue.

And then what happens to the guy who DOESN'T win? He languishes on the bench.

I believe all of this discussion to be moot, because I believe White will be off the board before the Bills pick. If he IS still on the board, the Bills ought to trade down with a team that wants White. The Bills, with Edmunds and Milano, simply don't have room to give White the amount of snaps he deserves. And to those citing 'Zo's usage: White is not 'Zo. they have different body types, play different positions, and there is no evidence to be found in White's history to show that he's capable of playing a part-time edge-rushing role. I'm not denying he's a great player and that the Bills should be in the business of acquiring great players. I'm just saying that finding snaps for a middle linebacker when you already HAVE a starting middle linebacker can be difficult, and the Bills probably shouldn't use such a premium pick on a player who will be on the bench so often.

However, the study doesn't prove causality, cautions Dr. Diana Martinez, a psychiatrist and addiction researcher at Columbia University. "You can't say that cannabis causes psychosis," she says. "It's simply not supported by the data," she says. The above is from the article you posted.

From the very article you posted: However, the study doesn't prove causality, cautions Dr. Diana Martinez, a psychiatrist and addiction researcher at Columbia University. "You can't say that cannabis causes psychosis," she says. "It's simply not supported by the data," she says.

The fact that you are stating that a person is still so impaired 5-14 days after consumption that he can't carry on a reasonable conversation shows your lack of understanding of the effects of cannabis. < Insert snarky Tom joke here. > https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/23/marijuana-may-be-even-safer-than-previously-thought-researchers-say/?utm_term=.66ac3d01a6df Cannabis is roughly 114 times less deadly than alcohol. Alcohol, of course, is perfectly legal. A review study comparing the acute lethal toxicity of commonly abused drugs shows that the lethal dose for marijuana (around 15 grams or above) is at least 1,000 times greater than the effective dose (15 milligrams), or the dose required to achieve a noticeable effect. In contrast, alcohol can become lethal at only 10 times the effective dose. And don't even get me STARTED on the country's out-of-control addiction to completely legal pharmaceutically produced opioids. Additionally, the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration drug sheet for marijuana reports that no deaths from marijuana overdose have ever been recorded. https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/16/gary-johnson/gary-johnson-claims-marijuana-cant-kill-and-prescr/

I'm at work right now, sober as a judge. I won't hold my breath for any worthwhile contributions on your part, though. I challenge you or any of the other "pot is dangerous" folks to provide some credible, peer reviewed evidence that this is the case. I suppose I'll be waiting a while, though, because no such research exists. If you don't like cannabis, fine. But don't pretend that there is any scientific or evidentiary support for your stance.

I'm more than happy to have an adult discussion about this topic with anyone who's interested in doing so. I'd venture to guess that most will just make snarky or sarcastic comments and tired jokes and refuse to engage in any meaningful debate, though.