Logic

Probably the same reason he last until the end of the second round: He's nothing special.

I'm sorry to hear that you feel that opinions contrary to your own all represent "incessant" whining. Here I thought we were in a discussion forum, meant to discuss. How silly of me to have an opinion critical of the show and to express it in a thread dedicated to discussing said show and our opinions of it. If my opinion represents "incessant whining", yours represents an inability to tolerate criticism of your favorite pop culture thing. It's okay for people to have different opinions, you know.

Just a quick break in the action here to ask the following: You're all already aware that Wun-Wun is named after Phil Simms, yes? I just learned this today. Cracked me up.

Actually, I agree with the first line. It is specifically the lack of follow-up on some of the nuance and subtleties of storytelling that have occurred over the years that directly LEAD to some of my disappointment. I didn't HATE it or anything, I just felt they missed some opportunities. Ever since the show surpassed the books, it has gradually lost some of its magic. That's to be expected. Benioff/Weiss are not George RR Martin. Some of what makes his early storytelling so great, though, is missing in these later seasons, as they have (by necessity) sped toward a conclusion.

It's pretty simple. If you want people to believe that this is the biggest, baddest battle thats ever been fought in the GOT universe -- and clearly they wanted people to believe that, as it was the longest battle scene ever in TV or film and they spent an insane amount of money, time, and buildup on it -- then you need to have some serious human collateral. Jorah and Theon and Dondarion died, fine. You mean to tell me the episode wouldn't have been more memorable and taken more of an emotional toll if one or two more key people hadn't died? You mean to tell me you wouldn't have felt a greater payoff at Arya killing a thousands-of-years-old being if it had taken a bit more sacrifice to get to that point? You mean to tell me you're fine with the plot armor that all the main characters were wrapped in? When we last see Jaime, Brienne, Sam, they're all COVERED in un-dead soldiers, seemingly SECONDS away from death...and then like 30 minutes of the episode later...NK is killed and they're all fine? The way they portrayed that battle and the near-invincibility of the army of the dead and the wights, and it's unreasonable for me to think that a guy like Sam should have probably died? Or freaking Podrick? Or GREY WORM, post "We'll be happy on the beach together!" speech?! I mean...shoot. Like I said, we can all have our opinions. But to think its unreasonable to expect a bit more death in the supposed "biggest, baddest" battle ever fought? I don't see how that's so surprising. People needn't take the fact that some people were underwhelmed with the episode as an attack on them personally. I like Game of Thrones a lot. I will continue to watch it. I'm not trying to take the piss out of people's favorite pop culture thing. I just thought last night's episode had a lot of missed opportunities and was, overall, underwhelming.

Yeah. How dare people have their own opinions about a television show. The nerve.

Would've at least been nice to see him swing his sword a bit, no? For a dude that's been waiting thousands of years for this moment, he kind of went out like a b i t c h

Gosh, I hope so. There's so much opportunity there.

Lots of others. There's a pretty large contingent of dissatisfied/disappointed people out there in Game of Thrones internet land today...

That's cool. We can agree to disagree. I know the episode was divisive. I liked parts of it. Theon, li'l miss sassy Mormont the Giant Killer, Arya being the one to kill the Night King. All of that was great. As for the Whitewalkers and the Night King? Yeah, I wanted more. The first scene of the show features them. The press for the show, the famous slogan "Winter is coming", all of it...is about them. We've been led to believe for 8 seasons that they are the be-all, end-all threat in the GOT universe. Like someone else said, they spent most of last season getting everyone to come together to fight this great threat. And all for what? Sure, it was a big, grisly battle. But even then, we really lost no main characters of consequence other than Theon. At least if they had parted with some of the Briennes and Samwells of the world, the victory at the end would have felt more well earned. As it stands, there were really no emotional losses felt by the viewer other than Theon. As a whole, with how beautifully the previous episode portrayed what should have been some beautiful farewells, there just weren't enough important casualties to make this battle seem as important as we were all led to believe it would be...especially for THIS show, in THIS universe, where they have typically not been afraid to kill off main characters. And again: Yes, I feel the viewers want/deserve more explanation of the Night King, his motivations (other than "Kill human! Human bad!"), his connection with Bran, etc.. Instead, they let him be a generic bad guy with generic motivations, they wasted all the buildup of Bran's story arc, they didn't properly/adequately flesh out the importance or emotional/storytelling weight of ANY of it. Like I said, I will still watch the end of this thing eagerly. I just feel massively let down by the decisions that Benioff and Weiss have made. They really wasted some quality nuance and buildup and storytelling because, well...why? I'm not really sure. A shame. EDIT: And again...what the ***** was Bran doing Warging into a raven and just flying around all battle long? What was the point of that? Just silly.

Last night's episode was my least favorite of the season by a mile. It wasn't even the best battle episode the show has ever done. - Not enough main character deaths, rendering the episode much less emotionally impactful than it could've been and making the payoff (death of Night King) seem less well earned. When did the show that kills everyone off become afraid to kill people off. There are only three episodes left, do we really still need to have Brienne and Samwell around? - I guess they're just NOT going to explain any more about the Night King's origin, motivations, connection with Bran, or about Bran's time traveling, what his whole purpose as a character is, etc? Where was Bran while he was warging during battle? Just hanging out in a raven/crow, flying around watching the battle? Why? What's the point? The showmakers seem ashamed of or uninterested in the fantasy aspects of the show. Disappointing. - The entire buildup of the show, from the very first scene, has been about the Whitewalkers and "winter is coming". And then THAT episode happens and it's over in one night? And now we just move on to the battle with Cersei? I'm sorry, but after all the buildup and mythology and the way the framed the importance of the Whitewalkers and the Night King and Bran and his journey, I really hoped there would be a more satisfying, thorough payoff. At least some explanation. Instead, it's starting to feel like the last few episodes of Lost, where you realize they're just never gonna explain so many of the things that need explaining. I'll still look eagerly forward to the remaining episodes, but I found last night's episode to be vastly underwhelming, disappointing, and I felt it really missed the mark.

Also...are the "Waaaahhh, we didn't get a WR!" people at all appeased by the two stellar UDFA adds the Bills made? Easley and Sills are legit.

For anyone saying we don't have any "star" WRs, only average guys: I'm not sure there was a star WR AVAILABLE in this draft. Certainly the fact that only one went in the 1st round is telling. Hollywood Brown maybe has star potential, but he would have been a redundant addition given that we already have Foster and Smokey Brown.

Wow. Really strong UDFA signing so far in Jackson, Sills, and Easley. Love it. History tells us at least one of our UDFAs will make the roster.

I love both of the guys we got so far. Hell, I love UDFA signing frenzy. It's like a second draft. And history has shown that some of these UDFAs have as good or better a chance to stick on the final roster as the 6th/7th round guys.

If we are able to season Tyree Jackson on the practice squad for a season or two, he could absolutely be a long term backup option for Allen. Why? He's one of the rare people on planet earth that has the near the same level of arm talent and athleticism as Allen, and thus, you wouldn't have to change the playbook once he came into the game. Here's hoping this is an awesome camp story and he sticks around. What a great thing it would be to have him to back up Allen.

I'm fine with it. The way the draft played out, the value was never right. No sense in drafting one just to draft one. Next year's WR draft class is stellar. We'll get a few then. We'll be fine in the meantime with Foster/Brown/Beasley/Jones/Williams/McKenzie/Roberts

I mean...in terms of actual drafting average, I think if you get THREE solid starters, you've done well. Very few draft classes, over time, produce 5 solid starters.

I'm just waiting for someone to come along and say the Bills messed the pick up because they didn't take Anthony Johnson, then claim to know a bunch about this Darryl Johnson kid and how he stinks. Any time now...

Meh. I'd say reaching for WRs in a draft where there weren't any great ones just because it's a "need" would be more of a Bills-y move. Drafting linemen because thats the strength of the draft and its what the value dictated and waiting until next year when there will be better WRs available makes sense to me. Another thing that makes sense to me? Having Foster and Brown on the outside, which is a "pick your poison" speed double threat that not many teams will have an easy time handling. Then, in the open space underneath, you have slot machine Cole Beasley and matchup nightmare Duke Williams (what nickel defender can match up with this monster?). And don't forget what should be a much improved running game and the danger that Josh Allen's legs present, as well. Basically what I'm saying is that defenses are darned if they do, darned if they don't. If they bring a safety down into the box, Brown or Foster will light 'em up deep. If they don't, Shady and Gore and Motor will run wild. Drafting a mediocre wide receiver wasn't going to make a material difference. Time will tell the tale.

Crazy, right?

Bills seem to follow the old draft adage: Day 1 is for immediate starters. Day 2 is for year 2 starters/contributors. Day 3 is for taking swings on athletic upside. Smart drafting.

So you're saying Josh Allen is gonna make Joseph his b i t c h?! :P

Except totally the opposite.

Love the pick. Milano 2.0.