Logic

Every time Schopp gets brought up, it reminds me of the old quote about Howard Stern. "People who DISlike him are actually MORE likely to listen to him for longer!" "Why?" "Most common answer given? Because they want to see what he'll say next." Want to know how Schopp still has a job, despite so many people universally agreeing that he's the worst? Because people keep tuning in.

Nah, he's right.

LOL! If the asking price truly is 9, 40, a 4th rounder, AND next year's 1st? I can guarantee Beane won't make that deal. Two 1sts, a 2nd, and a 4th? C'mon, man!

One thing I have learned from this thread: Trading up for anyone other than a QB really pisses a lot of Bills fans off.

In fairness, you said just today that McDermott's defensive scheme "does not call for penetrating tackles", so maybe your understanding of what's needed for defensive success for this team is less than exemplary.

Right, but... If offensive line is a big need of yours ALREADY...why help a division rival draft Quinnen freaking Williams?! And if they need pass rushers, why trade out of a spot that could net them Josh freaking Allen?! You seein' what I'm gettin' at here?!

This just doesn't make sense. Why would the Bills help the division rival Jets accumulate more draft picks? Why would the Jets help the division rival Bills get a blue chip QB destroyer? It doesn't add up.

This is 100% false. His defense absolutely depends on having a playmaking, penetrating 3-technique DT in the fold.

There is no universe in which this is all it would cost.

I can't wrap my ahead around how this would work. Giving up next year's 1st? Seems unlikely. Giving up this year's 2nd and 3rd (which might still not even be enough, points wise)? Seems unlikely. I don't see a division rival helping us to get Quinnen Williams. I don't see US helping a division rival to get a bunch of extra draft picks. LaConjecture strikes again.

This. Except I wouldn't say it's quite a "sick" feeling, since we DO need both a DT and some more protection for Allen. Also, the trenches are said to be pretty bereft in next year's draft, while the skill positions are said to have a lot of good prospects. If this is true, then it makes sense to stock up the trenches THIS year and let next year be a "skill position" year. I'm mentally preparing myself for the Bills pick to be very "un-sexy".

With pick #44, the Green Bay Packer select WR Parris Campbell, Ohio State

If we could send them a mid-roundish pick for Thomas, it would be AWESOME. It would solve our 3T problem right out of the gate, leaving our two picks available for other positions. Please let this happen!

What Ben Allbright just mocked is kind of a little frightening. Hockenson still on the board but the Bills pass on him and take Wilkins. Christian Wilkins will be a darned good NFL player, but is he going to be as special at his position as Hockenson? This might not sit well with me. What would REALLY set me off? If the Patriots wind up with Hockenson or Fant. Just what we all need.

Sorry to make a thread about this, but I figured it deserved its own discussion. If not, well...my bad. Allbright tends to be one of the better mockers out there, if such a thing exists. He had Allen to the Bills all offseason last year. So if Hockenson is still on the board and Wilkins is the pick at 9, will there be a riot at TBD? Will @Cornette's Commentary have to change his pants? This would be quite the outcome. Wouldn't shock me one bit, either. Christian "Process" Wilkins. Hmmm....

Allbright predicts Christian Wilkins. I am in agreement, as I mentioned yesterday. Doesn't take into account who I WANT, but that's who I think it'll be. I also think it's possible that Hockenson is still on the board and Bills pass on him for Wilkins. A certain segment of Bills Mafia will be furious, but it's hard to argue with a d-lineman over a tight end.

Oh man. Don't let @Cornette's Commentary see this. He'll follow you around for weeks, repeating himself in a zombie-like stupor.

Bump for vanity.

Regarding that YardsPerPass tweet about skill positions in next year's draft (which, by the way, is also supposed to be short on good o-line talent): It sure seems like Beane is already planning for this. I know he has mentioned before that he looks at NEXT YEAR'S draft, too, when forming a plan for the offseason. I believe him. He is addressing o-line heavily this offseason both in free agency and, I expect, in the draft. He doesn't want to have to worry about that position group at all next year, because he knows there won't be much on the market in terms of either FA or rookies. Meanwhile, while he DID sign WR help this year, he did so with generally short term deals that are easy to get out of after either this year or next year. This was not by accident, in my opinion. While I DO expect him to get some more offensive help in the draft, I ultimately expect him to "finish" the o-line and defense first and foremost. I then expect him to use the oodles of NEXT YEAR'S cap space and draft picks to even more heavily fortify the offense. O-line this year, WRs and RBs next year. We'll see if I'm right, but boy, you have to love the fact that Beane is such a prepared and meticulous thinker and planner.

The public at large is sleeping on Wilkins. The respect with which he is viewed is diminished by the presence of Olive and Williams, and by Wilkins' being older than usual for a draftee. Were it not for the fact that there are so many OTHER great DL prospects and were it not for the fact that Wilkins is 24, he would be viewed with the proper esteem. He's going to be really good.

I'm fine with taking an edge guy at 9. But then IMMEDIATELY trading away our OTHER good edge rusher means we don't improve the team at all. Spinning our wheels. Silly.

I expect if Wilkins is the pick that it will come after a trade down to either 16 (Carolina) or 23 (Houston). This year feels like 2017 to me. And like when we picked Tre'Davious White, the pick won't be sexy at the time, but will reveal itself to have been a wise decision and to have yielded a high quality player. Also like 2017, the added draft capital will take some of the sting out a less-than-exciting selection.

I hear ya. Kyle Williams, who plays the same position, played until he was 35, right? Warren Sapp, same thing. 35. If Wilkins plays until he's 35, it means the Bills could have him for a decade. A decade of outstanding 3T play seems worth a 1st round pick. But I hear ya.

I feel the same regarding these two. Would fully understand picking Jonah and would understand why its a sensible move. But I would much rather draft Hock. Maybe its because I think Hock has a better chance to be SPECIAL than Williams. Or maybe I'm just a shallow SOB.

Yeah. If we say "no trades" and limit the pick time to 2 hours, it'll be fine. If whoever's turn it is hasn't picked within the 2 hour window, we can leave it to whoever is present in the thread at that time to make the pick. Just spitballing here.