Logic

Just wanted to say that I'm about to head out of the house for a few hours. I have the pick right after the Bengals. I don't want to hold the whole draft up, so I hope @whatdrought picks soon!

Agree to disagree. When one player at the same position, playing in the same offense has DOUBLE the touchdowns of the other player, I think it's significant. YOU say "the Iowa QB seemed to look Fant's way in the end zone". I could just easily say "the Iowa QB looked Fant's way in the end zone because Fant was better at getting open".

I like Hock a lot, but for what it's worth, Noah Fant had TWICE as many receiving touchdowns over the last two seasons as Hock. Hock -- 9. Fant -- 18 (!).

I understand the idea of wanting a rookie to learn behind two HOF caliber guys for a season, but I still don't think the Bills spend a high pick on a running back. Where would said player fit on the roster? I really don't believe they're dumping Shady or Gore. Perry is the RB4 and special teams dynamo. They JUST signed Yeldon during draft week. Why would they have done that if they felt they were going to spend a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a running back? I'm not denying that they COULD draft a running back high, I just don't think they will. It'll either be a late round "We couldn't pass up the value" kind of guy or a UDFA. If that late round/UDFA guy beats out Yeldon because he offers better 3rd down play, or if he beats out Perry because he offers better special teams play, then so be it. I just don't see it.

Given the top 3 players on the running back depth chart currently, I would guess only a late rounder or UDFA at running back. I know, I know, "why would two old guys and a 3rd down back stop them from drafting someone"? I don't know...roster room? I doubt they're dumping Shady or Gore. Perry will likely stick as the special teams ace. They JUST signed Yeldon during draft week, so... If whatever late round or UDFA guy they grab beats Yeldon out in camp, then so be it. But with the roster set up the way it is, I'm guessing we're looking right now at a running back depth chart that will be the same on opening day. As I've predicted all along, I think NEXT offseason they will go with a complete youth re-vamp at the position, with Shady and Gore both gone and two youngsters brought in. Until then, they want smart, dependable, veteran running backs for Allen to lean on.

Each time you think Cornette's takes can't get more repetitive and irritating, he finds a way to surprise you!

Agreed. I've said for months that the plan is and always has been to have a youth movement and complete makeover at running back NEXT offseason. For Allen's first couple years, they want steady, smart, dependable veterans who can pass protect. By year 3 of Josh Allen, if they feel he is who they thought he would be, I expect to see them part with McCoy and Gore and draft some youngsters. Yeldon's two year deal only adds fuel to this fire, in my mind. They don't want to have to COMPLETELY start over in that room next season, so they'll have Yeldon as a holdover and 3rd down back. RB1 and RB2 will be occupied by new faces, though.

I think he's just saying that the fact they WANT a 1st round pick doesn't mean they'll get one. I want a toilet made of solid gold, but nobody has that. Err...wait. Individual 1 has that. I can't think of anyone else, though.

I'm torn on this. On the one hand, I get why you're doing what you're doing. On the other hand, if Hock is the clear cut choice amongst Bills fans, and given that most mock drafts don't include a "you can't pick such and such player here, even though he's available" proviso, well.... I don't know. Tough one. I'm good either way, but I see both sides of the argument.

Unless Shady gets traded, I don't see how the Bills can draft a running back this year. The Bills under McDermott typically keep 4 halfbacks, with the 4th guy being primarily for special teams contributions. Right now, the Bills have: McCoy Gore Yeldon Perry Perry was signed specifically because he's a special teams dynamo. So unless the Bills feel that the running back they draft is going to push Perry off the roster with superior special teams play (won't be easy to do, Perry is a quality STer), I just don't see where a rookie fits on the roster. And for those who will be quick to say "oh, that's easy, he takes Perry's spot"...again, not so fast. The Bills are committed to having an RB4 who can contribute in a huge way on special teams. Where does a rookie fit?

There are legitimate reasons that BOTH guys make sense for the Bills, and reasons they don't. DK Metcalf -- The Bills LOVE height/weight/speed guys. They've shown under Beane that they're willing to take big swings on supremely physically gifted players, even if they're high risk. Case in point? Both Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds. While they've made nice additions to the WR corps, adding a guy like Metcalf would really elevate it to the next level. He would also be able to ease into the pros, as the Bills don't immediately need him to be a #1, since they already have a Foster/Brown/Beasley starting trio. On the "reasons they wouldn't take him" list? Beane, McDermott, and Daboll have all said at one time or another that they don't necessarily think you need a "true #1" WR. Jonah Williams -- McDermott mentioned the o-line as one of the team's "identity position groups". He believes that the offensive line should set the tone for his football team. Obviously, the multitude of offensive linemen the Bills have already brought in show that McDermott is serious about this. Well, with Williams' study habits and work ethic and football IQ, he would set the perfect tone in the OL room and be a leader on day 1. He also, as everyone knows, is a guy that Daboll is already quite familiar with. The Bills have more of an "inside look" at this guy than any other team in the draft. As for "reasons they wouldn't take him", I can think of only one: If they don't believe he can be a tackle in the NFL, they won't take him. I doubt they'd take a guy they view as a guard at 9. I just don't buy that. So if the Bills DO take Jonah Williams, you can darn sure bet they view him as a long term LT or, at worst, RT.

I always love reading this stuff, and I'm sure there are plenty of kernels of truth. On the other side of the coin, though, is this: http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/172974292/nfl-draft-anonymous-scouts The Psychology of the Anonymous Scout One may wonder why scouts speak anonymously to the media in the first place. What's in it for them? Some believe that it's to drive draft prospects down for the benefit of their teams, though any general manager or head coach putting his draft board together based on what a bunch of guys said in a newspaper or online should probably be looking for alternate employment.... More to the point, Jeremiah believes, is the gradual diminishment of the scout in most front offices. It's not like it used to be, when super-scouts like Jack Butler, Jack Vainisi and Bill Nunn drove so much of the personnel pipeline to teams that drifted on their evaluation talent and were recognized as such. Nowadays, scouts are primarily well-traveled clerks, whose work is mere fodder for the alleged bigger brains higher up the food chain. "The media and the general public ... a quote will come out from an anonymous scout, just ripping a player, which I totally don't agree with," said Jeremiah. "I don't think that's your place to trash a kid. I don't believe in that. And the second part is, they'll get railed at for not putting their name on it. And I'm thinking, 'You do realize that if any scout puts his name on something like that, he's done. He's fired. It's over.' And he might be shut out around the league, because he has a reputation as a guy who talks to the media. So, that's not even feasible. It's not happening." It would be extremely valuable for media and fans to hear from scouts on a regular -- and regulated -- basis. It would add to the discussion of player value and projection, and it would allow those scouts who have seen their roles diminish to have a more prominent voice.

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That stuff about San Jose State was my favorite. Ouch. Very ouch.

They have asked for a 2nd, yes. The reports I have read seem to indicate that there are zero teams willing to give that up for McCoy. Given his age and given Tampa Bay's downright bizarre infatuation with trading him, I feel like the earlier of the Bills' two 4th round picks could get the job done. I have no way of knowing this for sure, of course.

Fair enough. I certainly understand this point of view. If I'm not mistaken, I believe there hasn't been a single negative blip on his radar since he was drafted. The Seahawks tout his exemplary behavior and leadership. I also happen to be in the camp that thinks he's a top 5 edge rusher in this league. To give up essentially two 2nd round picks for a 25-year-old, top 5 edge rusher? I'm totally fine with that. As for the pay, well...we can afford it. That's the flexibility that a rookie QB window gives you.

I'm just gonna say this and it's okay if I'm totally in the minority: I'm fine with the Bills taking Williams at 9. A decade+, high quality starting offensive lineman that will set the tone along the o-line with his work ethic and study habits. We could do a lot worse.

To be honest, I think a swap of 1sts and either Shaq or Murphy seems reasonable. If they don't want that, then a swap of 1sts and a 2nd round pick next year works for me, as well. They're NOT just getting a 1st round pick outright, I don't believe. I'd be fine with making this same deal for Clowney, by the way. As for Gerald McCoy, the Bills should trade one of their 4th round picks and consider it a huge win. Can you imagine a d-line of Hughes, Star, McCoy, and Clark?! With the "Philips Bros", Trent, and Harold as the rotational guys? Sounds incredible to me. It would also "finish" the d-line for the time being, allowing them to use their 9 draft picks this year to continue to build around Allen.

A reasonable thought, but the cost of moving all the way up to #3 seems higher than we're willing to pay. It would likely mean giving up my two 1sts AND my 2nd, and even THAT might not be enough. Not only that, but I don't believe there are any impact players worth moving up for at the positions the Packers need to fill in this draft (OT, OG, ILB, S, TE). I'll keep pondering it, but it's a probable "no" from me.

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The Green Bay Packers feel like they covered their biggest needs pretty well in free agency and are thus open to moving down from the 12th spot. The phone lines are open, let's make a deal.

When I saw that this thread had come back to the front page and clicked on it, I was not expecting that it would contain 4 pictures of Zero's wife. The bosom-y shot was particularly out of left field. And also...it made me like him more? Is that weird? I mean, it takes brass balls to just be like "here's a picture of my wife in a mild state of undress, you heathen football loving strangers!". So....props.

Meh. The lack of competition is what "killed" wrestling, if you want to look at it that way. In the years after WCW died, Vince had no competition, and his product got stale. It was only the rise in popularity of ROH, TNA, Chikara, Lucha Underground, etc (i.e. new legitimate competition) that has begun to re-invigorate the product. The business is and always has been cyclical. It has boom periods and down periods. The late 80s under Hulk Hogan were obviously a boom period, then the WWE (then WWF) hit a lull for a long time. The steroid scandal, guys like Hulk and Macho Man leaving, etc, had Vince McMahon almost to the point of bankruptcy. Then the product hit the biggest boom its ever seen in the late 90s with the Monday Night Wars and Stone Cold Steve Austin and The Rock. Since the end of that boom, wrestling hasn't quite reached the same highs in popular culture. On the other hand, it's definitely not dying a death or anything. If you tune into Wrestlemania in any given year, you see them selling out football stadiums, with 80,000 fans in attendance. They're an international product and a multi-BILLION dollar industry, complete with their own streaming platform and crossover starts like John Cena and Dave Batista. Is it what it once was? No. I agree with you there. But the business is cyclical, and it's doing just fine as it is.

I like the Crosby, Howard, Wesco, and Wishnowsky picks. The Bills have had visits with Crosby, Wesco, and Howard, so those are all realistic picks. I view the Christian Wilkins pick as quite realistic, as well. Due to his extremely high character, his history of consistent production and versatility, and his alpha dog mentality, I could ABSOLUTELY see him being our pick in the 1st round. I would ESPECIALLY be on board with it if we traded down 1st and gained an extra 2nd round pick.

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