Logic

Not sure how much they're going to get in exchange for a linebacker. ?‍♂️

“Hey look everyone! Here’s one specific instance that completely invalidates the dozens of other videos showing police murdering unarmed black people!” What a ridiculous post. Now show George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Eric Garner, etc, etc.

There are far more white people living in the United states. Therefore the numbers you posted don't really tell us much. It's much more useful and informative to look up "shootings per 100,000 people" categorized by race. Here's a good website, with charts and adjustable toggle switches and so forth. https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/cities Key Findings: 26% of U.S. police killings between January 2013 - December 2019 were committed by police departments of the 100 largest U.S. cities. Black people were 38% of people killed by these 100 police departments despite being only 21% of the population in their jurisdictions. Only 1 of the 100 largest city police departments did not kill anyone from Jan 2013 - Dec 2019 (Irvine, CA). 47% of unarmed people killed by the 100 largest city police departments were black. These police departments killed unarmed black people at a rate 4 times higher than unarmed white people. Rates of violent crime in cities did not make it any more or less likely for police departments to kill people. For example, Buffalo and Newark police departments had relatively low rates of police violence despite high crime rates while Spokane and Orlando had relatively low crime rates and high rates of police violence. From 2013-2019, St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department killed 34 black men and Oklahoma City Police Department killed 25 black men. This is an average rate of 7.0 per 100,000 black male population in St. Louis and 8.5 per 100,000 black male population in Oklahoma City - a higher rate than the 2018 US Murder Rate of 5.0 per 100,000.

According to the CDC website, it is not yet known whether infection with COVID confers any kind of future immunity. [Edit: I tried to address this and answer some questions here if anyone interested. Tnks -Hap]

I don’t “suggest” anyone do anything, other than not spreading misinformation. I made no comment about what the NFL, or the population at large, should or should not do. Listening to experts, following common sense, and wearing masks would be nice, but I’m not silly enough to think that most people will actually do those things. The statement “getting infected with COVID once means you’re immune from getting it again” has not been proven. It is not factual. That is all that I “suggested” with my comment. That’s it. Anything else you inferred was your own projection.

Fair point. But on the other hand, if the only clear section you can point to on the Bills roster and call them inferior is BACKUP QB, well...ya know...they must have a pretty good roster. The Jets, by comparison, are lacking in edge rushing threats, cornerbacks, and have a completely new offensive line that needs to prove its worth. THAT seems more important to determining game outcomes than the backup quarterback situation. I do agree with your overall point that fans get too worked up about opposing viewpoints. Like...a Jets writer predicted the Bills will do poorly? Oh nooooo! Unacceptable! Let's spam him with hateful comments! ?

I'm not sure how you got THAT from what I wrote. My pointing out that COVID infection does not necessarily confer future immunity DEFINITELY called for this type of response. ? Your ongoing ability to sidetrack a discussion with immature and unrelated babble is unmatched. Bravo.

As I understand it, there is not yet proof that COVID infection confers future immunity. From the CDC website: "Are you immune to the coronavirus disease after recovering from it? The immune response, including duration of immunity, to SARS-CoV-2 infection is not yet understood."

Another Muppy sighting! Good to see you 'round these parts.

It gets tricky fast, though, even if you're only quarantining the sick. Let's say it's a crucial divisional matchup to decide a playoff spot in the AFC. For the sake of argument, let's say its Bills vs Patriots. The Patriots enter the game with no COVID infections and a pretty complete roster. The Bills, on the other hand, see Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs, and Tremaine Edmunds sidelined due to COVID. Is this the type of season we even want to watch? Sure, you can argue that there are injuries every year, but I think there's a good chance COVID infections will be much more prevalent. Players also come into such close contact, both in locker rooms and on the field, that it seems unrealistic to think that COVID won't affect wide swaths of players as the season wears along. Many analysts expect there to be so many positive COVID cases throughout the season that each team would have to have a whole "taxi squad" of replacement players at the ready. How far into the bench of replacement players do we want to go? At what point is it no longer a fair representation of each team and, thus, a risk not worth putting people through?

Why would it be sarcasm?

Right. 53 players x 32 teams = 1,696 players. Then, once you start factoring in coaches (many of whom are at-risk types, either age or weight wise or both), coordinators, support staff, media....it's a massive amount of people. And the physical closeness and intensity of contact between players is just off the charts compared to other sports. In my mind, the idea of a 16 game season successfully taking place is incredibly unlikely. I desperately want to be wrong, because football is just about my favorite thing in the world. But confronting the facts with any sense of realism does not lead to an optimistic outlook.

Yep. They'll either get over it or...ya know...die. Or maybe they'll survive, but have ongoing organ problems, lung problems, blood problems, or a stroke. No biggie. ?

I remain pessimistic about a full season happening. I stick with my position that the season will be started, but will not get the chance to finish.

There's a really simple fix that would greatly improve the quality of reporting and discourse from the mainstream media. The FCC simply needs to bring back the Fairness Doctrine. Under the Fairness Doctrine, broadcasters were required to "present controversial issues of public importance in a manner that was honest, equitable, and balanced". It was effectively killed under the Reagan administration, and its ouster has given rise to the highly polarized, not-at-all fair and balanced news networks we see today. What we now have, in the absence of the Fairness Doctrine, is propaganda masquerading as news. Fox News is very clearly GOP TV, MSNBC is clearly Lefty TV, and on and on. I agree that mainstream media is failing us insofar as they do not present a clear, unbiased picture of current events to the public, they are not transparent about the FACT that their broadcast is biased, and they allow their financial interests to outweigh their duty to inform the public in an honest way. I do NOT agree with the Trumpian attacks on the free press in general, and I do NOT agree with his constant crusade against them. In fact, I think its downright fascist and incredibly dangerous. A well-functioning free press is a cornerstone of a strong democratic republic. So, bringing back the Fairness Doctrine and increasing the levels of honesty and accountability of our mainstream media? Yes. Attacking the free press in general and sophomorically labeling anything one doesn't agree with as "FAKE NEWS!!!"? Absurd, counter-productive, dangerous. Bring back the Fairness Doctrine.

Thank you for this quote. Along with a comment your previously made this week about how racism and white privilege aren't real things, you've saved me the time of bothering to debate with you. "Tell that to the journalists who lost their jobs"? How about "tell the countless black people who lost their LIVES to police brutality that racism isn't real"! Or, to stick with your "journalists" idea, "Tell the journalists getting unlawfully attacked by police DAILY this week that this cause isn't worth fighting for"! Your mind is clearly completely closed. Your obvious anger at people wanting justice for black Americans shows me exactly where you stand. You've made it abundantly clear. If you think this movement's aim is to "destroy free speech and jobs" and you don't think racism is real, I don't know what else to say. The only other thing I can think of is this: You're part of the problem. You've once again ignored the fact that the spreadsheet I linked, with over 100 videos from just ONE WEEK....is not linked to any one source. But you do you, bud. Cheers!

The article by slate only speaks of the existence of the database, which itself is not affiliated with any media outlet, but is an open source document to which anyone can contribute. Try again. OR, feel free to go actually WATCH some of the videos. Or read any of the dozens of articles by multiple, varied outlets reporting on the police brutality that has occurred the past week.

Oh fun, another person selectively posting videos of a town they don’t live in or know anything about. If you actually read my post earlier, you saw where I pointed out that the last seven nights of protests have been predominately peaceful. That of around 10,000 daily protestors, there are 20 or so nightly arrests.I also agreed that there ARE some agitators and idiots, but those aren’t the people I’m talking about being brutalized by the police. I can show you many articles corroborating what I’m saying — that the protests ARE primarily peaceful and lawful. I can also show you numerous videos of police attacking lawfully assembled, peaceful protestors in my city and many others. But you clearly have no interest in opening your eyes or your mind to the realities of what’s playing out on American streets each night. You’re only interested in clinging to your tired, inaccurate narrative . Below is a link to a database that has been created for activists to upload instances of police brutality from the past week. Feel free to educate yourself before spitting more nonsense. https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/06/george-floyd-public-spreadsheet-police-violence-videos.amp

A few markings painted on walls? Definitive prove! Forget the FBI investigation, we've got a few paintings here! You'll have to forgive me for being overly emotional. I've spent the past 7 days watching the Portland Police Department -- which has a long history of racism and brutality -- firing tear gas at peacefully assembled citizens -- including children -- during a pandemic that affects the lungs, shoot rubber bullets directly at protestors, fire pepper bullets at pregnant women, and unlawfully attack and arrest members of the press. Don't get me wrong, there are agitators and law breakers and such, but the VAST majority of protestors are peaceful and are breaking no laws, and they're STILL getting attacked. It's happening night after night. I can show you many videos of this taking place if you wish. And in the midst of all of this, every now and then, you have people popping in claiming that Antifa, of all things, is the major problem. Forget the police force that my tax dollars pay for that have a $293 million dollar budget and are armed to the teeth with military weaponry, attacking citizens exercising their 1st amendment rights and battering members of the press....it's ANTIFA we've got to worry about! Right. So again, do forgive me. I recognize that I jumped down your throat a bit there. But understand: This isn't a joke to me, or a passing curiosity that's interesting to watch on the news. It's the citizens of my city, being attacked by heavily armed agents of the state, for -- in many cases -- no legal or justifiable reason, night after night. It's friends being arrested without being read their Miranda rights, having their phones taken away, being detained for 12 hours, receiving no access to a phone call, and then being released in far-off parts of the city, with dead phones, without ever having been told WHY they were detained to begin with. It's people literally losing their eyeballs because a policeman fired a rubber bullet directly at their face, rather than ricocheting it off the pavement toward them, as is intended. I AM emotional, I AM furious, and I'm not going to "relax".

Please explain how damaged storefronts prove Antifa involvement, which is what Hjnick, Andy Ngo, and Trump are pushing. Please also refer back to the part of my post that links an article showing that the FBI found no evidence whatsoever of Antifa involvement. Please ALSO feel free to educate yourself on the 8 straight nights of predominately peaceful protests that followed the first few nights. Please ALSO feel free to go turn on the news. There are protests happening in 400 American cities and across the globe. Once again, Antifa involvement, is something investigations have found no evidence of. Please also feel free to read about how far-right groups have been inciting violence and posing as Antifa and tell us about your outrage over that: https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/twitter-removes-account-white-nationalist-group-posing-antifa/story%3fid=71024345 https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/3-boogaloo-men-terror-charges-george-floyd-protest-riot-conspiracy-2020-6%3famp Most of all, just feel free to really educate yourself about the topic being discussed before inserting yourself into a conversation and trying to pretend that you know more about Portland than a person who actually lives there.

Drops a bunch of nonsense and lies into a thread for several straight pages, leaves as soon as people start calling out his ridiculousness. Seems about right.

I live in Portland. I was just downtown today. Andy Ngo is full of *****, as always. He's a Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, far right lunatic. He'd call a bee "Antifa" if it stung him. You know what I DID see in downtown Portland today? As for Ngo's quote about the FBI? Surprise, surprise. Horeseshit. https://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-no-intelligence-antifa-weekend-violence-george-floyd-protests-2020-6?fbclid=IwAR38cQ6S9t4fKAz-Dma4_v-e8zKuohs-VXAwDYjgjx7RnBm127zQGWQekWA "The FBI has "no intelligence" indicating that "antifa" was involved in violence over the weekend related to protests following the death of George Floyd, a 46-year-old black man who died after a white police officer knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes, The Nation reported" .....Coming in here quoting nonsense and slandering my city. At least get a better source.

The comment you replied to was LITERALLY me asking how Keap's kneeling was political, and you somehow found a way to shoehorn Antifa into your response. I mean...really?

"Black Lives Matter" is a far left group? Horseshit. You think Antifa has ANYTHING to do with Kaep's kneeling, which is what I was asking about? Horseshit. As for the supposed videos you mentioned from the bolded section...Can you link some of them, please?