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Coleman Palmer Shakir Samuel Moore Shenault Prather Shavers I think that's a reasonably well rounded, diverse top five, with the bottom three guys battling it out for an end-of-roster and special teams spot. Short of having a legitimate WR1, I like the group. If Coleman looks like the guy he was in the first half of last season and Samuel looks like the guy he was in the final few weeks, it could be a very respectable group indeed. Don't make me say it, but....okay okay, I'll say it... The WR room quietly got better today.
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Beane going ham on those WGR guys and saying that "bitching about WR is the dumbest argument he's ever heard" and then immediately turning around and signing Elijah Moore is one of the funniest things that's ever happened. As far as pure football: I like the signing. Moore had 500ish yards last year. He's a fast, functional NFL WR with separation ability, and is just 25 years old (somehow). I feel he rounds out our WR corps nicely.
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Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today (Update: Signed!)
Logic replied to bills742's topic in The Stadium Wall
Psssh. Who died and named YOU the arbiter of umbrage? I think at least a modicum of umbrage is due. It feels like you're leaving a little bit of umbrage on the table on this one. In fact, I'd go as far as to say I take umbrage with your lack of umbrage. -
2025 Official Bills Schedule Prediction & Breakdown
Logic replied to corta765's topic in The Stadium Wall
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Yeah. Also like…if they could give us a gimme game for the “last one ever at Highmark”, that would be great. Wanna go out on a winning note!
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Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today (Update: Signed!)
Logic replied to bills742's topic in The Stadium Wall
Indeed he was. Good prior to his time with the Bills, good after his time with the Bills. Mysteriously unable to get on the field during his time in Buffalo. Weird. Maybe he insulted McDermott's camo hat or something. -
Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today (Update: Signed!)
Logic replied to bills742's topic in The Stadium Wall
MVS was a weird case, but Poona Ford was even weirder. Dude was GOOD good last year for the Rams and parlayed it into a fairly lucrative 3 year deal. And it wasn't like the Bills were just overflowing with DT talent when Ford was unable to even get on the field here. -
Defensive line after Camp, then after suspended players return?
Logic replied to Mikie2times's topic in The Stadium Wall
The other thing with Ogunjobi is that they signed him before they drafted Sanders and Walker. Sometimes the results of a draft can change your thinking on roster spots at a given position. -
Defensive line after Camp, then after suspended players return?
Logic replied to Mikie2times's topic in The Stadium Wall
It's definitely an interesting question. My eyes are on an AJ Epenesa trade and/or a DaQuan Jones cut. They simply don't have room on the roster for everyone. And even IF they find a way to play the first six games with those guys, they'll need to make room once Ogunjobi and Hoecht return. -
But to be fair, in the VERY NEXT GAME the Chiefs played, the Eagles were up 24-0 at the half and 34-6 at the end of the third quarter, largely because their defense was so exquisite. So while I get what you're saying about the way that Bills-Chiefs games have played out in the past, is it not reasonable to aim to have them play out differently in the future, namely by attempting to improve our defense to the degree that it doesn't always have to be a shootout with them? If no one had ever held the Chiefs down and bludgeoned them to death, then that would be one thing. But we saw both the Bucs and Eagles, on stages even bigger than conference championship games, shut down the Chiefs offense and not have to win with last minute offensive heroics. In both cases, effective defensive play was the primary culprit. Now maybe it's not a personnel issue. Maybe we simply don't have the defensive coaches to be able to accomplish what I describe above, and if that's the case, it's a whole different discussion. But seeing that teams that have beaten the Chiefs on big stages have largely done so with heroic defensive efforts, is it not reasonable to attempt to make wholesale improvements to our defense? Mind you, I want (and have wanted) a viable receiver added for a couple seasons now. But I would be remiss not to observe that just because PAST Bills-Chiefs games have been shootouts doesn't mean that we have to resign ourselves to the certainty that they always will be.
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It feels like everybody's a little right and a little wrong. Beane DOES deserve come criticism for undervaluing the wide receiver position and for the fallout that has come from that. On the other hand, Beane's Bills have won five divisions in a row, consistently have a top five offense, and are coming off a season in which the Bills were 2nd in the league in PPG and their QB won an MVP award. It is almost certainly the DEFENSE which has been more to blame for the Bills' mounting playoff failures than the offense, and even those have arguably been more the fault of the coaching staff than the personnel. One can begin to understand the GM's frustration, then. Furthermore, the media, at times, still behaves the way they did during the drought. That is, Beane does not seem to have earned much benefit of the doubt. And to some extent, I get it! He has yet to bring a Super Bowl trip or a Lombardi to Buffalo, and until he does so, there will be questions and doubts -- especially considering the specific ways in which the Bills have been bounced from the playoffs every year. So all in all, some of the WR discussion IS warranted, and today's actions by Brandon Beane likely represented the culmination of his mounting frustrations, and the WGR guys were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I bet that if you asked Beane and he was being honest, he'd tell you he wishes he had that interview back. That he could take a few deep breaths and have a do-over. Nothing is black and white in this world, and this situation is no different. There are layers. There is nuance. Unfortunately, we don't live in a world where sports media or the average fan are prepared to discuss and analyze layers and nuance in a reasoned and meaningful way.
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Bills 4th Round Pick : Deone Walker - DT - Kentucky
Logic replied to Simon's topic in The Stadium Wall
To echo what others have said: I don't think you can do what Deone Walker did as a 19 year old in the SEC without having some serious talent. At the same time, all of the concerns that accompany a man of his size, as well as his 2024 falloff (injury related or not) are valid considerations. Put the two together -- his potential game-wrecking talent and the concerns on his tape and with his health/size/stature -- and you have exactly what the Bills got: a 4th round dart throw. In my opinion, the risk-reward with Walker is worthwhile. If he hits, you have exactly what his new GM described: a 1st round caliber player and a steal and a guy who can impact games in a big way. If he flops, the cost was a 4th round pick. The potential negative impact of a 4th round pick busting is not, in my opinion, severe enough to warrant not taking the risk on a guy like Walker. We all agree that the Bills need more difference makers and less "just okay to good" players around Josh Allen. Consider Deone Walker a definite swing of the bat with intent to hit a home run.- 432 replies
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I'm surprised. They're going to need more bodies for camp alone, I would think. Or did they only go to camp with 5 RBs last year, too?
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Agreed. WGR hosts spend hours and hours and hours on-air questioning the GM's moves, sometimes downright insulting his roster management....and then act completely flabbergasted and deeply insulted when they get the slightest amount of pushback? I think they're just not at all used to actually being challenged on air. They normally have the power over anyone that calls in, because they can (and do) just hang up on callers and then badmouth them and their talking points. Can't exactly do that with the GM of an NFL team. Whether I agree with Beane or not (and I mostly do), I think is response was funny and reasonable, and I think their defensiveness and snippiness after the call ("we're not here to be belittled") is petty and typical.
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Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today (Update: Signed!)
Logic replied to bills742's topic in The Stadium Wall
My main takeaway from Elijah Moore being the post-draft vet WR they bring in for a visit is: Either Amari Cooper really is cooked, or he's asking for too much money. It seemed like he was a good locker room fit here, had moments where he was productive in big moments, and typically Beane wouldn't like the idea of having spent a 3rd round pick for only a partial season of work. You'd think if they still felt Cooper had anything in the tank and/or if his asking price was reasonable, they'd bring him back. The fact that they're not doing so speaks volumes. As for Elijah Moore: Sure. Fine. Okay. Piling up replacement level journeymen WRs to put around Shakir and Coleman kinda seems to be their modus operandi these days. I'm sure he'll make a play or two some weeks and completely disappear other weeks, like any other guy in that group. It is what it is.