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And those killings/ shootings go on every day with little outcry on a national level. Stores don’t burn and looting doesn’t happen. While this was not a shooting, the same still applies. Many or most care little about the justice they feign to demand, have little outrage but just a wish to virtue signal to the rest of us. They care only about who did the killing, not that a life was lost.

Can’t access this, but it’s WaPo and that’s liberal garbage. Trump urged calm at the start of Covid and not media induced hysteria. Bottom line: whatever Trump does, the LSM says he should have done the opposite.

Could be. A rogue cop could also be a muslim terrorist. It’s a big country with a lot of different types out there. Bottom line; they all have to follow the same rulebook.

Not sure what your point is here. Money and celebrity bring status and influence, but that’s a human creation and not relevant at all in this case. As long as crime exists, and Cops there are going to be incidents and confrontations. Some will end in death. That is not preventable as far as I know. When rogue cops act outside the scope of their training, they will be punished with criminal charges. Protests are fine, until they become violent and violent acts such as arson and looting are indefensible.

On its own, it most certainly is. There appear to be major deviations from any use of force training manual found in any P.D. in America. There’s nothing systemic about that. It’s a big country with many Police departments and incidents of improper action will arise. Especially with the volume of Police / citizen interactions on a daily basis. If the conduct is deemed improper, excessive or unlawful it will be punished. That looks to be the case in the Floyd incident, but it must take it’s course. Doesn’t look like it has anything to do with race, either. Kaep is no expert.

So money = privilege ? Celebrity = more attention. Welcome to the real world, full of human failings. As for the rest , no process caused any of these results. All results of acts by humans. Some definitely criminal, one very possibly criminal.

There is nothing systemic about the actions of the officer in the Floyd incident. That’s an overused b.s buzzword.

Look, the proper system is being followed. An officer acted under the color of law. There is a process for this, and it’s a necessary one. Cops are not 007’s. They have certain indemnifications in the use of force, including deadly physical force if certain conditions are met. That protection is necessary to perform the job as described. It is not , however absolute. The actions must be fully investigated to determine if charges are warranted and exactly what those charges will be. That takes a little time. It would obviously take less time if the incident involved two civilians and not an officer of the law. Procedures must be followed if this is to result in the desired outcome of a conviction. Because those rioters are violent criminals. They don’t care about the businesses or the issue.

What is the main reason? Guns ? Belief that one’s own life is in danger ? Belief that the subject is reaching for a weapon? I’m not sure what the it is that you are referencing here.

Sure, spacing and whatnot.

Attendance is optional, so masks for attendees should be as well. Just my opinion, and others will differ.

No solution for this, unfortunately. Criminals rarely follow the legal process for obtaining a weapon, but hey they’re people too, right? A cop must be vigilant, but not afraid. A scared cop won’t last in most towns. Cops don’t often shoot the unarmed out of fear itself. These things usually happen when the subject refuses to follow simple instructions and moves suddenly or doesn’t keep their hands up and visible. They don’t know that the individual is unarmed, but if they act as if they have a weapon the officer must respond to protect themselves or others. Even unarmed criminals have a problem taking an order from a cop. Of course, none of this seems relevant to the Floyd case. It looks to me like a rogue cop doing exactly what training protocol says not to do. Another stands by and does nothing about it. Charges will be filed here, what they will be depends on the cause of death among other things.

Criminals with guns are what make cops jobs dangerous.

No, it doesn’t. A civilian is not an officer of the law. That’s how it is, and how it has to be. A case will be built against this officer, and I believe he will serve jail time. You don’t dismantle the required protections due to the actions of a rogue officer. A cops job is difficult enough as it is. The looters and rioters are just looking for an excuse for their lawlessness.

There is a separate process for officers acting under the color of law, yes. An investigation will ensue, and it appears certain to me the officer(s) will be charged. They must proceed carefully to put him behind bars. Don’t pretend that you, a civilian ( I assume) would get the same consideration here. If you don’t understand why there is a difference, I’m not sure where to begin but you need to look into it. As for the officer, he did not appear to act within the scope of his training, imo.I’m confident that the evidence supports this and he will be convicted. That process needs to play out, though.

Most. The local news outlets are all pushing the results of this poll, as they know polls are used to shape public opinion. One local tv station also mentioned that “ only self identified conservatives” thought that waiting too long to reopen was a bigger problem. As if they don’t matter and are obviously being unreasonable. I’m not shocked at the results of the poll because most of those who are for staying closed down are all too willing to sacrifice their freedoms in exchange for a government check. The story also stated that a large percentage of those who said too early had lost a job. The correlation is pretty strong. They don’t care about their job, working, or if jobs return. The government will bail them out !

I agree, Skin-erd. While I’ve never been a religious person, that’s not really germane to the issue here. Some comments in this thread seem judgmental about religion and/ or those who wish to attend houses of worship. This is about constitutional rights, and I fully support the folks who want to attend. They are being unfairly oppressed by tyrannical Governors, no two ways about it.

True. Fans will be clamoring for Moss to get more touches weeks before McD actually makes it happen.

Don’t like this at all. The media will push this as a great idea. Some Gov’s will require these. Restaurants/ bars should do distancing and disinfect often . That’s it. Went to Ohio this weekend , they allowed patio dining. Servers wore masks, but not customers. It was great. No one needs to dine in at a restaurant or go to a bar. I’d sign a waiver before I’d wear that thing.

This^^We’ve known this for quite awhile with Coronavirus. There are so many asymptomatic cases, and so few people actually seeking tests now that the “ official” case count is a fraction of actual cases. We also know the death count has been vastly overcounted due to hospital reimbursements and government directives. I wonder how many times Tibs has gotten tested lol

That guy is nuts...Cuomo seems to mimic California though, and that’s not comforting.

I don’t think they will allow this.

Well, that’s why they’re starting with no fans. No jobs are unimportant, but they’ll come back when we go back to fans in the seats, concerts etc. Hopefully very soon. Hiding inside thinking we won’t get Coronavirus isn’t doing anyone much good. The best thing might be having lots of under age 40 folks get this thing and reach herd immunity faster.

Do you actually think there will be a point in the not too distant future where there is no risk ? Everyone will have to accept the fact that the country, and the economy cannot stay closed down. That’s the real world.

I agree with your statements and questions here. As for Cuomo , If he has said that , it will be one of the few things I’ve agreed with him on thus far. Perhaps he has recently come around to admitting that reality. While I’m sure anyone would want it to be untrue, it’s just the fact we must deal with.