oldmanfan

He says he doesn't care what anyone else thinks. Guess that pretty much says it all.

Was it that? Or were they just bad?

You say this scenario usually means a guy ends up on the scrap heap, and name one guy. Brilliant.

Good point. We may be seeing Bodine soon.

No, he's elite based on what he's done in a 17 year career. What the hell is the matter with people around here?

You have to remember the times we live in. In the age of the Internet people are now accustomed to getting things right now. Patience as a virtue has been lost in today's society. As evidence look not only to the calls for McD and Beane to be fired right after a playoff year, but to the posts already saying we may need to draft another QB next year based on, you guessed it, one game from Allen. Just remember such posts likely come from those who get irritated if they are in the Starbucks drive through for more than 2 minutes. Saying the Bills are rudderless is just an article from some guy that has to fill copy every 24 hours or so. The article is just opinion with no actual digging to see what may or may not go on; essentially a regurgitation of old stuff. Plus theu guy (typically for national media who don't really follow the team) mixes up moves made over three different management groups and two owners. So take the article with a big grain of salt. Now, are Beane and McD completely off the hook? No. While they clearly have a plan, and part of that plan is to get the kinds of players they think they can win with and jettison guys they think are not that (and overpaid to boot), the plan is risky. They took a massive cap hit this year, much from prior bloated contracts but some they did to themselves. And they have to answer to the owner for mistakes such as Peterman, Coleman, and especially why their team came out with no answers in the first half two games in a row - that speaks to preparation and that is all on McD. They have a lot of cap space next year plus draft picks, and it is on them to use those wisely. If they don't, again it's on them and that could jeopardize their positions if they don't. But rudderless? Because some guy decides to quit in the middle of the game? And because some writer decides to write a hit piece? Hardly.

Beane tends to look for these type guys hoping they turn it around. Guys like Coleman you can wait till they get cut.

The trade up for Jones was a negative. Those for Allen and Edmunds hopefully got them their leaders for years to come. So I'm good with those. I would rather they keep lower round picks vs. trading for guys like Coleman.

The article refers to total management and McD was there for that draft. Chemical, we will of course see how all these picks turn out. But Jones looks like he's starting to get it, and hopefully does more with Allen throwing the ball

Need the edge rusher more

Nice cherry picking.

People are criticizing their drafting? White: lock down CB set for a while Dawkins: LT set for a while Jones: starting to come around, should give us a #2 or slot WR for a while Phillips: Anchors the D line as the young Kyle Edmunds: Incredible athlete, gives McD his MLB (and yes, Rivers schooled him and 20 year olds learn) Allen: potential long term answer at QB; how many folks howled for the Bills to finally go all in and get a QB? Johnson: slot CB Teller: depth at G and hopefully matures into a starter Ray Ray: Slot WR Thry may have not gotten the best FAs this year. That you can criticize. But drafting? They have a plan. They have 10 picks and a ton of cash. They want football players; by going after non flashy FAs (maybe one or two major ines) and with the next draft they can get things going quickly. They wanted to compete short and long term. Last year the plan worked exactly as hoped for. This year may not, at least the short term part. Their success or failure will come from how good they are at picking the right guys, like every other team in the league.

My eyes see it much differently. But I guess that's why I'm not an NFL coach.

Says the guy who would have trade an entire draft to get Winston. Mahomes looked great the first two games. Have to hand it to the kid. coming out there was a lot of concern an=bout his footwork, that he had only played in the one read spread option, and so on. If he continues the way he's going every team in the league will regret not taking him. I wanted Watson in that draft. And around this time last year people were agog over him like they are with Mahomes now. Flash forward to this season and Watson has struggled for a couple games, and now folks are wondering if they anointed him too soon. My point: let these young guys play some, look at the tools they have around them, let them go through ups and downs. And then we'll see. Oh, and by the way. Size, arm, moxie? Pretty much describes the Bills current starting QB.

I'm referring to his injury history

I presume they were done under the guindance/permission of McD

I would be willing to wager we'd see that in 99% of guys making their first start. I was encouraged that he didn't have the deer in the headlights look.

Is Perriman the guy the Ravens spent a first round pick on only to find out he can't play football?

I think it will improve. He works constantly on his mechanics. When they game slows down for him then the mechanics are easier to accomplish. To me the most important thing for any young QB, far apart from mechanics, arm strength, etc., is for the game to slow down. When you can get the game to slow down, you can come up to the line more confident in where the ball should go, more confident in your throw, you can step up with more confidence. And so on.

For God's sakes. It was his first game. I get called out for criticizing fans instead of players. Go ahead and do it again if you want, because this kind of stuff is nuts. Slow eyes- it's his first time against a full defense prepped for a real game.

Yeah, a bit tongue in cheek of course. But to an earlier point I made, a couple years ago didn't Richie go to the coaches and tell them to simplify the schemes? And things improved immediately?

I would imagine that's what will happen

That's my biggest concern. When I watched the Bengals pre-season game, all three guys on the interior were just getting knocked straight back. No evidence of physicality. I've asked before and will ask again: how can a guy that weighs over 330 like Ducasse just get knocked around like a bowling pin? Or groy? Or Miller?

Can someone explain to me why they can't just do this: See the guy across from you. Knock him down. Then go knock another guy down.

Just pointing out the ridiculous hypocrisy around here. And by the way, I've laid out plenty of criticism around here the last two weeks. Mentioned that any criticism they got was well deserved given the way they've played. Have repeatedly said they need to get rid of some O linemen. Called out Benjamin for lack of effort. But yes, fans around here are ridiculous sometimes, and this thread is a perfect example. They're brining in a guy to look at for DB that I will pretty much guarantee no one has heard of. But they criticize it like they know exactly what this guy might bring. In the meantime, they bemoan not bringing in a Gordon, even though his history strongly suggests that he's a train wreck waiting to happen, and when they DON"T bring him in that's wrong. They throw a 7th to the Browns for Coleman and that's just so horrible to do, but then when they cut him because he can't or won't learn plays, then it immediately turns around to why we should keep him, right after they get blasted for brining him in. I could go on for days with this kind of stuff. Fans are borderline schizophrenic. And yes, the team stinks right now, and McD needs to do something about the lack of effort and/or understanding in the first half of games. Maybe him calling the D will help. And changing some O linemen.