oldmanfan

This crap needs to stop. Woods left in March 2017. When Whaley was there. Beane started May 2017. Whaley could have resigned him if Woods had wanted to sign. Beane wasn't here when he left. Beane has absolutely nothing to do with Woods.

Interesting takes from two guys that played the position. I have to admit I tend to place more credence with Warner, because I can't get the image of Orlavski running out of the end zone to lose a game out of my mind.

I hope so as well. Sometimes though other factors come into play. Woods for example. I understood he wanted to get back to the West coast.

A pet peeve of mine is saying that when a free agent signs elsewhere that the team he left let him go. Woods was an FA.

No. We should recognize they have short and long term goals. Short term they got hurt with Richie and Wood. They could and should have improved on their WR core and I still think they should get a vet like Anderson at QB to play or mentor. Long term? Next off season makes or breaks them. Draft well and get some good pieces in free agency and they win. If not? Looking for work.

12 teams out of 32 made the playoffs last year. We were one of them. Now we're going to qualify how good or bad we were when we made the playoffs?

I agree that Allen should figure it out. You guaranteeing you could do it gave me a much needed laugh.

So you have nothing. Just as I thought.

I've asked once and will ask again: show us posts from the predraft period in 2017. Show us where you claimed Mahomes would be so good. Or stop the nonsense.

Murphy and Ivory are short term deals easy to change. You know that. I know you know that. Why argue when you know that?

Reality again. I am one who likes old school football, running, defense, etc. But I get that the league today is more about the passing game. So you need a really good QB. Reality. Now, some further reality. A QB alone does not win unless you are a first ballot HOF type like Brady or Rodgers. Even then You can be a HOFer and not win without having the team around you(say hi DanMarino as an example, or a young Elway, or today Andrew Luck). So reality? You need a really good QB AND a team around him. Trying to separate the two is silliness. Their plan was to get out from under bad contracts, and build through the draft and judicious use of cap dollars. How well they do that will determine their success. I do think they should have gotten a more veteran guy to either play or mentor. Still should in fact.

Most scouts did not say that. You keep repeating this as gospel and it's not. You say it just to support your negativity. The kid needs to learn. My bet is he will.

Reality? Fine. Reality is that Mahomes is playing lights out right now. Reality is also that he has a lot of weapons around him. And reality is further that there were many questions about him coming out, including his footwork, coming from a school that never had a QB make it in the pros because of the style of offense, and such. Reality is that Allen similarly came out with some questions. Reality is Allen did not sit for a year like Mahomes. Reality is that Allen did some good things against the Vikes and struggled last week. Reality is that many rookie QBs suffer through such games. Reality is we don't know yet what these guys will do. Because reality is you don't know how a career pans out after 4 games. That's reality.

I'd put out feelers. If you could get a mid round pick I'd do the deal and get O'Leary back.

Allen will get better. Mahomes is playing great right now and if he keeps it up he'll really be something. Many were mentioning the 83 draft with the 18 draft. If Allen and Mahomes turn out to be Kelly and Marino then two teams have two great QBs.

Copy a post with a date on it showing you had this same attitude in the months of January-April 2017. Or keep quiet. I posted earlier a quote from Greg Costello with doubts about Mahomes before the draft. Any cursory look through Google can find a number of these. He's doing really well so far. Good for him. It's fair to say he's far exceeding what a number of folks thought he'd accomplish. So again, find a post you made in the time before the 2017 draft saying you were so high on him, that you claimed he was a once in a decade player. If you can't then stop the nonsense.

He's fine in his role but he has no role. Uh huh.

They sure did. And that's why their future will rest on decisions they make together on building the roster, not decisions made before they both were here.

As I said, a juvenile response on your part.

That is his personality. If he sat stone faced on the sideline like Belicheat or Landry you'd criticize that. If he sat on the sidelines screaming like Lombardi or Parcells you'd criticize that. If he called a ref an overofficious jerk, guess what you'd do? Meanwhile, in an si.com article this week they talked about how great a coach he is getting a team with our talent last year to the playoffs. He does good and bad things like most coaches. Getting on him for clapping is juvenile.

I watch the film and he does that job more often than not. Part of it is Edmunds learning what gaps to hit. and sometimes Start does not win his battles.

Here's some substantial. His job is to tie up blockers in the middle so other guys can fill gaps and make tackles. He won't get many solo tackles. He won't get many sacks.

Revisionist history is a wonderful thing. Just to remind us all about what was said pre-draft about Mahomes, here is a quote from Greg Cosell: “The true definition of the word prospect,” Cosell wrote in his official, point-form, pre-draft analysis of Mahomes. “A talented thrower with an NFL arm and the ability to drive the ball and throw with touch, but lacking any refinement and polish for the position. A sandlot-and-playground player at this point. Will initially struggle with the disciplines of playing under centre. How difficult will it be to lose that freewheeling, gunslinger mentality?” This is just one example. I am one that thinks college QBs get way overanalyzed, but for all of those rats sneaking up out of the woodwork now to say they knew Mahomes would be great, that we should have taken him, and so on, give me a break. No you didn't. You're the same sort that will now look back and say you would have taken Brady early. I didn't want Mahomes, I wanted Watson. And Watson has been a bit up and down. I didn't want Allen, I wanted Rosen. But Allen Is showing me some things, and I think as the game slows down and he gets some linemen around him he'll do fine. But we'll see. For those calling for the firing of McD because he didn't draft Mahomes, again give me a break. For those calling for the firing of Beane because he didn't draft him even though he wasn't even the GM at the time, you're completely delusional. The current regime will be judged on two things. One, is Allen the guy? Two, will they use the picks and cap space they've created to bring in guys that will; make the team a consistent winner. Their plan involves both; if their plan works great, and if not they will rightfully lose their jobs. They won't because they (and again not they, and you could argue not even McD) passed on one guy who had question marks coming out of college.

You're the guy who said Winston would be an all time great and that you would have traded anything to get him. You have zero credibility when it comes to judging QBs.

You do not understand Star's role.