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yes, but i'm not complaining either way. guess what? those rendering may have more of what you want than you can tell. it's a rendering. that's all. of course i'm making assumptions, but i've chosen not to complain about anything until i know at least what's going to be included. until then, it's the same people bitching...well, that's because it's who they area. you have a guy here trying to show inflation rates in terms on construction costs to B word. he just wants to complain. say it with me...you will never see a dome here, and i'm bummed about that too.

ok. so you think the massive jump in costs of construction and housing has just followed standard inflation over the last couple of years? you know...i've seen people get into it with you. i figured you either didn't understand or you were just refusing to see other's points. now i know you just don't understand. again, for the price, what should the bills be getting that they should be?

the cost rising is not just as a result of inflation...at all. the costs of construction, labor, housing, etc has risen far beyond standard inflation. comparing cost of building a stadium in 2016 and 2017 doesn't factor in today. how much more is housing alone this year than 2 years ago....or building. is that just inflation? ok. so you're fixated on cost. do you think the bills are getting taken for the cost. what do you think they should be getting for the money being spent. honestly, all i see here is people who do like the way it was designed, and are trying to find a way to complain. whiney men. get over it. there's no dome. yeah...that's kinda how it works. again, you biggest issue is you don't like the look.

again, you're making assumptions. on top of that, your looking at inflation from 2016 to 2023? do you think that's taken into account the recent massive price hike on supplies and labor? you just can't compare costs now to costs then. i think that would be obvious. what was the typical costs of other stadiums in 2016? there's more of an approach to this than you're considering.

so you're upset about not getting a dome. i get it. i would love a dome, ( i didn't care about the downtown area as much but i certainly got the idea). you're concerned about the elements...fine. the moment you knew there wasn't going to be a dome, you had to get used to getting rained/snowed on in most areas. those rendering likely don't show exactly ho0w the overhangs are set up, so it's all premature now. listen, how long have we hear fans complain about how lousy the stadium was now and how we should be embarrassed. now we're getting a new stadium, and people are now complaining about how expensive the tickets are going to be. we've been spoiled forever in terms of cost, and now we're going to be brought in line with typical prices. for anyone not to expect that is foolish on their part. we all knew there would be a new stadium, and we all knew it wasn't going to please everyone. so what are your options? deal with it the way it is, or just don't buy seasons. that's it. being angry on a message board about things were not completely sure of is a joke. concerning not having a dome, get over it. correct. that's my point.

we know no dome. people have to just get over it. you don't know the exact size of the scoreboard. you don't like the design, and that's personal which is fine. you don't know the exact layout of seating sections, you don't know exactly how the concourse look. all of this and you're complaining how much it costs. with no idea of what's going in, cost of materials, cost of labor, etc, and you're complaining about the cost. all of this teeth gnashing over a rendering. i build a building for my office a few years ago. obviously a small project, but the renderings i started with differed quite a bit on the final product. the generic look of the building was the same, but that was about it. on top of that, if i tried to build the same structure this year vs the end of 2019 when it was completed, i'd be paying 50-70% more. it's just how life is right now.

every stadium is different, and if you don't think the last few year have changed the cost of construction, you're completely out of touch. so...it the money being spent you're worried about? you're complaining on what's being spent and how we're not getting our moneys worth even though you're not sure what's being included? so you think because minnesota did it one way a few years ago, it's still apples to apples now. you're just complaining at this point. same people, same whiney nonsense.

sure. which are renderings, which are limited. we have people immediately assuming what's there and what's not. fine, but to be angry about something you aren't even sure is included at this point? we have another poster already upset about money not being properly used! it's far to early to have meltdowns over something we're not even sure about yet. also, let's face it...not everyone is going to be satisfied, yet i can almost guarantee what posters are going to be the loudest about it. einstein, you're already questioning what the money is being used for without having a clue as to what's going into it. you don't even know what to like vs not like yes, so yes...you're being incredibly whiney. how do you know what exactly has been address and not addressed yet?

so...you're trying to do some sort of a cost analysis without actually knowing a thing about what's going into the stadium and specific specs? amazing. sure, but we have people complaining with knowing very little specifics. just because the esthetic isn't what some wanted, there's immediate crying.

i swear some of you are just whiny men.

my wife is a school psych in a similar situation. she recently had all of her remaining loans forgiven i think after paying on time for 10 years. i'm sure hammersticks can walk you through this better than anyone, but all i know is that my wife is 37 with no remaining loans. on top of that, she always let me know how she's retiring at 55 when she has her 30 years in. that one bugs me.

well...that's interestsing.

That is some solid sleuthing.

i agree. rich gannon was talking about just this on sirius nfl. he says he played with a number of guys who had multiple concussion over multiple years, and today they are functioning, (or seem to be functioning) at a normal level. they were able to play through it and it didn't effect their lives. other players aren't the same after 1 or 2 concussions. a lot depends on the individual.

i have to imagine we'll see something similar to that. i'm just assuming though.

i agree about the stadium experience, but i think the people are demanding more because the tickets have become extremely expensive. i may go to a stadium once just to check it out, but unless i'm into the game itself, i'm likely not spending the money. i just think you've made certain assumptions like you tend to do before knowing all of the facts. so, other than new concourses, what would you like to see that you don't think the new stadium will have? i'm just trying to understand the angst outside of not having a dome.

oh no. he has his act way more in order than royal.

i think there are playing to play where ever the situation is best for them, (money, coaching, qb, et). if buffalo establishes positives in those area, players will come. it's just a job that's relatively temporary, and doesn't even last all year. it has to be fairly easy to play in a place that you don't want to be in full time.

so...because you don't like the renderings of the new stadium, you assume nothing will really be that different? these are just assumptions with no real basis at this point. i'm not sure why you're taking that attitude towards it. on top of that, you keep mentioning, "the average fan". i'm not sure you get the average fan. no average fan is going to shell out that much money for a game just to hang out at the stadium. maybe a few, but most people go to a game for the sake of taking in the energy at a live sporting even. if a new restaurant in a stadium is what finally draws someone in, so be it. what exactly do you want put into the stadium that you don't think they'll have. don't have suck a skewed outlook on everything. after all, you made the comment that you wouldn't go to a stadium if they sold genny light.

this is the right thing to do. i just re-read the op and i think i miss understood it the first time through. i just assumed he was driving and zoned out for a while. driving 35 miles when you don't have to is not easy to do. hence cps getting involved.

Yeah. I think we need to differentiate between blacking out and zoning out.

other than a dome, what aren't you getting? i completely get the dome, but you don't think there are other upgrade? you keep mentioning the rodgers center, but don't you think literally everything in the new stadium in an improvement. i think it's just the esthetic you don't love which i completely get. i'm just not sure what you think you are missing out on.

yes...you should be satisfied they're staying, because for locals, that's the most important thing. and so what if you don't love the look. i don't either and i absolutely would have preferred a dome, but here we are. some posters my not like the esthetics, but it will still be a massive upgrade, but inside and out. you're acting like there's no upgrade at all.

oh yeah. i figured we've all done it. you just zone out and all of the sudden, you jump back into reality. i remember reading a great explanation on what deja vu is, and it had very similar reasoning.

yes. that was 100% the most important thing. the renderings look meh, but at the end of the day, does it really effect your life?