Buffalo716

Lots of NFL players don't wrap up now and shoulder tackle Just hit someone as hard as they can with their chest or forearm or shoulder I agree 100% forearms are dangerous and that is why you can't use your forearm on a defenseless player... That's why he was flagged I think it just boils down to... Do you really think before the game started he said I will do whatever it takes to take out Lawrence... If you believe yes then that is intent and it would be very dirty... Or it happened on a fast football field and he just did not protect Trevor Lawrence to his best ability I'll tell you what if somebody did that on purpose I don't think he would apologize

I distinguish things that happened between the whistle... Aka the hit that happened yesterday And things that happen after the whistle completely different of dirty Hauschka getting blindsided when he's walking off the field , not making himself a part of a play.. is dirty... Jim McMahon getting body slammed on his head after a play is dirty You can call this dirty.. but it's between the whistle on the field of play , where stuff like that does occur unfortunately It's a lot less dirty than body slamming a quarterback on his head after the play.. that's what I consider dirty

Yeah but intent is a lot tougher to judge when there's 22 guys flying around If I came into the game saying I will do whatever it takes to take out their running back or quarterback.. and then I go through total intent If I'm just flying around football field and one play happens, where I don't protect the quarterback as much as I should have... Because he also slid late and I take his head off Illegal yes.. Violent yes I keep going back to Jim McMahon because that player had the intent to seriously injure him.. before he did it You don't go up to a quarterback after the play and body slam him on his head unless you're thinking it I don't think that player woke up with any intent to try to derail Trevor Lawrence's career.. he made a bang bang play where he did not try and protect Trevor Lawrence in the heat As I said if Lawrence slides two yards earlier I don't think he's hitting him The bang bang of the play allowed this illegal hit... If the slide happened the yards earlier I don't think he's coming in to take off his head.. because Trevor was trying to get every foot I've been in locker rooms with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of guys over the years and it's very few who are psychopaths and have intent to be dirty and hurt

Put it this way At the end of the day no coach is having the back of a player that doesn't have the respect in the locker room... No coach is backing a player who goes out of his way to harm other people... That doesn't have a place in football and coaches typically preach family Anybody who thinks people celebrate an injury like that on the football field are wrong... 99% of players and coaches never want to see that but it happens... Players are a fraternity He's not putting his ass on the line for a dirty player... He would throw him under the bus and say there's no excuse and I don't condone that The coaches reaction is all you need to know that this is unfortunately something that happens in football... Never said the guy did not crack Trevor Lawrence in the face ... He did But that also got invited because of a super late slide... If he slid yards earlier this doesn't happen.. a fast game and late sliding invited this huge illegal hit If he got down a yard and a half before that he does not get his head taken off I believe that An illegal hit happened on a play ... Does that mean this guy is targeting every single quarterback? I think there would be a lot of film to show he does I think the league would have plenty of evidence to suspend him if he is consistently targeting quarterbacks

So you think of Trevor slid two yards earlier he still gets his head taken off? He doesn't

Because one is a true dirty play which has no basis in football And the other there are a thousand instances of quarterbacks sliding and getting hit ... The speed of the game has milliseconds to react... He could have slid two yards earlier and it would have been avoided... But he slid late which did invite a potential late hit Yes it was a hard hit on a sliding quarterback which is against the rules but to make it full on this guy tried to kill Trevor Lawrence... That's a lot Coming out to hurt people is dirty ... There is zero proof that he goes out there with the intent to hurt people It happened on the play

At the speed of the game.. it's impossible to judge intent These guys are not going 3 miles an hour.. you're going 20 miles an hour with 22 bodies flying around the field If Trevor Lawrence wanted to guarantee his safety he could have slid one or two yards earlier Late sliding is inviting a hit... Again watch Jim McMahon get body slammed on his head That is dirty on the field... This is not that You can make the case that he didn't do enough to try to protect Lawrence... But until you're running around 20 miles an hour with 22 other grown men on the field it's tough to judge intent I really doubt that guy wanted to seriously injure Lawrence because most football players are not evil

Not all football players disagree with me There are plenty of coaches and players who think this was just and unfortunate incident that occurs on the football field Our old GM Whaley even said it himself ... Humans should not be playing football It is a very very very very very violent game... And that's why it's a penalty because they're trying to take some of the violence away So yes it was a penalty, and could even be an ejection according to the rules But that doesn't always equate to dirty which means intent... Dirty players have intent to be dirty Conrad dobler

When that guy body slammed McMahon he knew exactly what he was doing I guarantee you before that play started that guy just was running around at 100% not thinking he's going to kill Trevor Lawrence He was playing football at full speed

Actually a hit is within the bounds of the game ... Even a helmet to helmet hit is not considered intrinsically dirty because helmets make contact on every play If he took off his helmet and started beating a player with it like Myles Garrett that's not part of football Playing at full speed and hitting a sliding quarterback even if you made contact with your forearm or even your own helmet is now a penalty... But it is certainly within the bounds of what happens on a football field If you think that's the first time that's ever happened on a football field your mistaken .. sliding quarterbacks get destroyed a lot Yeah but at the speed of the game the quarterbacks still occasionally get hit If you don't want to get hit you slide extremely early.. sliding late invites hits This is a fact

I never said it wasn't a penalty But to say that quarterbacks sliding and getting hit is not part of the game is crazy My point is valid.. Jim McMahon getting slammed on his head is dirty This hit is a penalty but you cannot convince me that he came into the game wanting to kill Trevor Lawrence.. the speed of the game and the milliseconds of reaction created a massive hit And he may have four armed him in the face That does not mean he went in the game planning that which would be intrinsically dirty It happens in football unfortunately

There's zero chance that he came into the game thinking I'm going to take off Trevor Lawrence's head It literally is the world's fastest game with huge humans

There's no garbage being argued because nobody's pro spousal Abuse This is the most violent sport in the world.. the biggest fastest human beings are in car wrecks 80 plays a game As I said dirty is when Jim McMahon got picked up and dumped on his head after a play was blown dead.. that's intrinsically dirty That hit in a game where people are running around 20 miles an hour.. where it's milliseconds... Is not intrinsically dirty It is a penalty... The guy certainly did not wake up saying I'm going to murder Trevor Lawrence today That hit happens at all levels of football from high school to college to the pros all time It's a penalty within football... It would not have been a penalty 40 years ago That's why it's not intrinsically dirty... Picking up a player and slamming them on their head was always illegal He had milliseconds to react to a quarterback where everybody is flying around.. that's the difference Fine him sure, is it a penalty yes Saying it is an intrinsically dirty play is wrong because it happens at every level of football for a hundred years.. that kind of stuff happens in football unfortunately because the speed of the game

30 years ago Trevor Lawrence would be on jacked up And they would be celebrating

Yes it is .. 40 years ago it's not even a penalty There's a difference between a penalty, in the world's most physical game.. where the speed is immense Vs waking up and saying I'm going to hurt someone with intent on the field When Jim McMahon got body slammed on his head after the play that's not within football... A player who is getting hit while sliding even if it is a penalty... Is within football because these are grown men running around at 20 miles an hour playing a dangerous game If you're afraid to hit the quarterback you're going to lose.. it's not like he had five seconds to react we're talking milliseconds

It was dirty when that player ran behind Jim McMahon picked him up and dumped him on his head 30 years ago This was within the bounds of what happens on a football field over the last 30 40 50 60 70 years It was dirty when the hauschka was walking off the field versus the Jets and he got blindsided out of the play This is a penalty, but at the speed of the game it happens.. I don't think that dude woke up today and said I'm going to kill Trevor Lawrence

Pff sucks They have great advanced stats and analytics that coaches can use.... Their grading system is completely flawed and biased even... It's a tool , not the bar that should be set Anybody who understands football doesn't need someone else to tell them what they see... Eyes don't lie typically... I don't need their arbitrary grade Take away the nuance and it's not hard to tell who is getting their ass kicked and who's doing the kicking typically

49r fans from East Amherst lol Makes sense

The 60-70-80 were Just different People used to haul kegs into war memorial

Most bills fans are meaner to each other than opposing fans Obviously that isn't 100% true but from the lots to the stadium opposing fans experience at the ralph is wayyy better than being an opposing fan in Philly or Oakland back in the day Those are places I would never go ... Generally bills fan give some lite hearted ribbing while being pretty good hosts... With a minority of real #######s Over the last 30 years I've seen way more bills fan on bills fan violence then beating up on an opposing fan... Flutie Johnson was causing fights in the 90s lol

He was a bills fan... We scored... Everybody was high-fiving and hugging etc Some dude chest bumped another guy , and that guy bumped into the guy who fell down and get scrapped up I actually went to the first aid station to get gauze and bandaids for the guy

Sean McDermott has had the same philosophy for 7 years He doesn't care that much about yards between the twenties.. as the offense gets closer to the Red zone his defense Tightens up His zone match defense has less ground to cover... And the windows are smaller ... Passing lanes and running lanes are tighter That's why we rotate the defensive line every possession basically... McDermott's strategy on defense wouldn't work if we ran a majority four or five lineman... They would be beat up by the fourth quarter The rotation... And the bend but don't break... Wears out other offensive lines by the fourth quarter Look at our goal line run defense... We are immaculate when we want to actually stop it... When our back is on the goal line Sean is stuffing your run

I'm pretty sure there's 20 drunk Bills fans in the section who are willing to pummel another Bills fan to act like a white knight Most times when there's fights in the stands it's bills fans fighting others Bills fans... We can't even choose our fighting opposition correctly

Ruben Brown had some faults but he was absolutely very good There's not many NFL players that started every single game they ever played no matter what team they were on 181 games 181 starts The NFL doesn't keep you starting that long unless you're doing something right... He never lost a competition for his job Was he the best guard in the NFL? No He certainly was top six for a decade... This is the franchise fan base that complains about Dion Dawkins and wants to kick him inside to guard when he's one of the best tackles in the world

He a AP writer.. he's also a Hall of Fame voter and past president of the pro football writers of America