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If that's the case, he struck gold with those two and has been striking out since. I'm not really sure how you discount Whaley's history of grabbing these great players from the scrap heap.

You mean the rookie head coach did it and not the GM with a history of picking up great pro players? I think that is wishful thinking. Especially when you consider the drop off in talent acquisition since he was fired.

We have no idea if QB or MLB is set. MLB looks more promising at this point. The secondary is very thin, the RB's are old, and the WR group is terrible. Poyer and Hyde were the previous GM and Dawkins still has a lot to prove. Everyone is selling these possibilities as though they already happened. It might be that they work well together and we will see it in the next couple years, or this could be one of the worst Bills teams and we wasted our chance to get a good QB. Only time will tell, but the state of the team right now is terrible.

Is there any actual evidence that they are working well together? If this team slips to 5 wins, what is different from when Mularkey was here? I keep seeing posts that talk about the stability now, but there are signs that it's the same dumpster fire as before.

I'm not sure how this qualifies him as a good coach though. The same issues linger from Rex. I just really hope we don't get a Mularkey type slip into the second season. He only got two years with a 9-7 and then only 5 wins.

This team still hasn't learned to adjust to other teams. Even when they were able to jump out to a lead, they couldn't keep the momentum going. The turnovers were great, but I think that they kind of covered up just how bad the defense was. They only beat 2 playoff teams last year, and one had to lose both WRs to make it happen. The playoffs were great, but this board is really going crazy over nothing. Mularkey and Marrone both got to 9-7, and I don't remember people jumping on the bandwagon this hard.

Penalty issues, poor clock management, and a bad defense. I think McD has a long way to go until he can be considered good. This team got out coached a lot last year.

Include his trades from last year. I think he needs a better scouting department, because almost none of those guys contributed. It's just frustrating to go from a stacked roster with terrible coaching to a terrible roster. I'm not even sure most of these guys get a look by other teams. I think DL for him hinges on Murphy and Star. They may have found KWs replacement. I don't think the CBs are better, and who was added to improve S? I'm not even ready to give coaching an improvement until the same sloppy Rex penalties get cleared up. Clock management, lack of control, and the inability to challenge are all still issues he is learning.

I could never understand this with Sammy either. That guy dominated with the screen in college, and I think I saw it to him once. At least they touched them this time lol

Guess you missed their second game where he bounced back up after hits. Guy smartly took his time with a concussion and you people act like he's made of glass. He was sacked at a very high rate in college behind one of the worst lines.

So far Beans is hitting .000 with Free Agents. Is there a solid contributor at all from his pick ups?

This is a tinfoil hat thread for sure. Lots of conspiracy theories revolving around the Bills Front Office purposely screwing over Allen. The same FO that traded up to get him lol.

Yea, damn Whaley for locking up the guy who has been our top receiver. He looked bad, but he generally comes up big during the season.

The practice squad at lowly Tennessee is probably more talented than Wyoming, and Pitt is in the ACC which is a power 5 conference. Allen had a few chances against big name schools and failed. How do you know Peterman will be awful this year? Allen just had a taste of that San Diego game and he didn't look great either. I'd rather have a second year player the first 6 games than a project rookie. This team isn't going near .500, so it's going to suck either way.

Peterman had more year in college versus big name opponents too. I feel like we discount that far too often here.

It seems to me that they fired Murray in one league and went right out and signed his twin in the other. Both are young, untested, and arrogant guys that made questionable trades and contract decisions almost immediately.

The Pegulas have screwed up quite a bit in both franchises. It's crazy to me that your GM isn't selecting the coach.

Whaley was really good at FA, but not great at the draft. That being said, outside of qb, a lot of his draft picks are still in the league. Beane reminds me of Tim Murray more and more everyday. That's 28th amongst starters. I've see a few that had him last.

Not judging, but are you one of those Wyoming fans who are now Bills fans?

Mistake or thinking of someone else? I think you're way off on the locker room. You don't think those guys have seen talent underperform before? Sometimes guys just need more time, and those first 6 games are not the time for it. Good chance he reverts back to bad habits if he faces pressure like that regularly.

There is a very big 'he can do no wrong' crowd on here.

I wonder if Minnesota will give us all their picks for a RB too. I'm not sure we're going to build as fast or as strong as they did.

Signing two guys ranked as one of the worst at their positions is not trying. Whaley was amazing at signings like that, and Beane is obviously lacking. They might want to hire a good pro personnel guy to help.

They had a lot of outside runs that were stopped by the ends and linebackers. In the previous two games, they would run right at him for good to great yardage. The Cleveland game looked just like the post-Dareus ones last year.

I think Peterman is the one for quick short throws. Allen is still trying to get the feel of it. You can tell that he is still trying to workout something between fastball and a floater.