Trogdor

I feel like you went full Kool-Aid right here. McCarron has basically no stats to back up anything right now and Bodine is one of the worst at the position. We also have no idea about the OC and his previous stints don't point to an upgrade. Nothing on offense looks better right now, and it will take some time to really assess it.

This is really an odd place to make your stand. Does pleading guilty to lesser crimes suddenly make him innocent? I don't think he inflated or sensationalized the crime at all. She had to get medical care because of him. This board can't seem to get out of there way to defend a sexual assault because they don't like the messenger. Probably how we've ended up with this good guy image of the Superbowl teams.

The change in schemes has been covered here many times. You can't compare the different eras and prove anything. The only thing we know is that in this era, QBs don't outperform their college accuracy.

I'm really hoping that we sign a QB coach or someone who has actually developed QBs. Daboll really doesn't have a record of doing that and I think it's essential to his development. A QB that does both well would be awesome for a change.

The ironic part being that many offenses operate on dink and dunk passes. We get beat by them every year, and they are a must have skill for an NFL QB. His junior year had a couple NFL quality players, which is impressive in that conference. His TD, INT, and yards were up quite a bit. It might be a better year to judge from.

Atmosphere is very important and there are numerous cases of players turning down big contracts to teams they don't like. The players love it and they talk about it all the time.

In just shared revenue alone, these teams make back all of their operating costs and then some. After you add in local revenue it's more than enough to cover the majority of stadium costs. Green Bay has to release it's numbers as a publicly owned franchise, so it's not hard to track this stuff.

Whole bunch of "get off my lawn" posts here. The mafia term is very popular with players, and Lord knows we need something to entice them.

Well, his 2015 and 2016 classes had a lot of good players. We just happened to give away a bunch of them.

Both were signed when he was still GM. To his credit, he was an amazing pro scout, he just couldn't draft for ****. It probably didn't help that we changed schemes every other year.

The guy who signed them no longer works for the team lol so it's like a nice send off gift from Whaley.

We finished 9-7 two other times during the drought and it took a lot of luck, so I'd hope we temper our joy before signing him to a longer deal. I know that I have a lot of hope in Mcd, but I'm waiting to see if they improve before passing judgement and to see that he can hire a good Offensive Coordinator. I'm still waiting on a Beane move to pan out though and it might take a few years to see if his draft was effective.

You are so triggered by any comment about Saban that you had to make three posts to respond to me. Give it a rest. I'm positive you would be the first guy on here calling people snowflakes and yet, here you are flooding a post to try and defend anyone associated with the program.

How did that work in the NFL? You can't treat NFL players like college kids and get results. Please give it a rest with your White Knight crusade for Bama.

His TDs and INTs were up a lot more when he had pretty good players around him the year before. Not throwing it away is a really bad trait to carry over from college and gets a lot of QBs hurt. I just hope he develops, but I think there is a very real possibility that he never starts in the NFL if he can't improve his short throws. Short and intermediate throws are so important at the NFL level. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised in a year or so.

You watch the games and don't know about their defense? They ranked 123rd in overall defense last year. Without Rosen they probably win 2 games a year. I personally wanted Mayfield, but I can't stand people who obviously don't like Rosen for some personal reason and try to justify it with football. Go and look and see how many losses he had where he threw for 400 or close to that and 2tds at least. Wyoming was 23rd in defense btw.

Now I know you're not basing this off of football. How about his 421yds 3tds and 1int in a loss to USC? They don't win games without him. You have an axe to grind with him, and it must be messing with your vision.

Every single year there are guys who get passed over and others that are picked too high. The combine hasn't helped at all, but there has always been misses. I don't think there is a scout out there that would back you up on saying Rosen is the inaccurate one of the two. Remind me, how did he do against A&M in 2017? His offensive line was historically bad, his defense gave up 400yd games regularly, and his wrs have a much higher drop percentage, and his stats still blow Allen out of the water. If this is the hill you want to die on though, good luck.

Where is this mystery tape of Allen looking great for a whole game? I've seen a lot of highlight videos, but for every good throw he has at least two poor throws. I've seen a lot that would've been interceptions or defended against better defenses. I really hope that he develops, but there seems to be a contingent on this board that think he is game day ready and polished. Do we really need to just ignore the red flags or shout people down to root for him?

It's no different than people blaming the long throw scheme they ran. The truth is that he wasn't nearly as accurate with long throws as the other top 5. His WRs had the lowest or second lowest drop percentage of the top 5. There has to be some other circumstance to just blow off completion percentage as a garbage stat, and he just doesn't have anything to prove that it isn't a problem. You can just watch the senior bowl drills and realize that he needs a lot of work to become an accurate QB.

Game play as a comparison makes a lot more sense than hypothetical ones from workouts. Is SEC talent vs SEC talent not the same as MWC talent vs MWC talent? People keep pointing to how bad the players around him were, but it's not like he was playing future NFL defenses. I'd also like to point out that Allen's receivers only dropped 4.8% of their passes and weren't as bad as some people make them out to be. At least two of them ended up being NFL worthy. Again, he might end up being good, but he has done nothing at the college level that would put him on the same level as people they are comparing him to.

Using McD, who is a defensive coach, as a link is crazy too. I'm not trying to shoot the messenger because I've seen this too, but Daboll has nothing to do with Cam. We have no idea what type of offense he will run or if he has the ability to modify his system to his players. It's far too soon for a lot of this.

The problem is that you are using combine stats as evidence. Every single year there are combine MVPs that make themselves looks much better than their actual game play. Newton had a 66.1% cmp 10.2 y/a 30td and 7int for a 182 rating. Add to that another 20 tds and 1500 yards rushing. That's against the best defenses in the country. Even if you want to go with Wentz the numbers aren't even close. Josh Allen may end up being very good, but lets not start making these crazy comparisons with combine numbers. This board has devolved into reposting highlight videos to try and prove how good someone is. Let's just wait and see what happens and not put some crazy expectations on a QB who needs a lot of work and polish.

There is zero tape to back up the assertion that he is as athletic as Cam. I can't think of any QB I've ever seen at that level. The size might be close, but he doesn't even have Cam level tape in the WAC.

Why does everyone keep bringing up Newton? Newton absolutely dominated the toughest conference in college football. I understand that his team was bad, but the only tape against power 5 competition for Allen is horrid. It's near impossible to judge anything about how he will fare against even tougher defenses. Typically the small school QBs who garner huge interest are dominating their own divisions and often putting up numbers against better competition.