D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

I like how you think. The key to me is how high is ceiling is. I see guys like Mariota, Mayfield and Darnold as guys with much lower ceilings. If I were to state an analogy it would they are the 13-14 yr old middle school star athlete, and Allen is the kid who matures later on in HS.

So no credit for signing Peyton Manning or being the decision maker for a SB champion, and he only has a job because he won the SB. Got it.

Wait, did he not win a SB not so long ago?

Dude, this isn't about the last word, just take the L and put in the pile with all the others.

Absurd and Nonsensical! You can't tell me the QB doesn't have an enormous impact on whether the team wins or loses.

Get over the Allen thing and focus on everything else, that's what he's trying to say to you. The view of PFF and stats has NOTHING to do with Allen. As a matter of fact, you are making it about him and it makes me question your bias!

I especially like this part: “ as opposed to most other ELO systems, PFF ELO doesn’t use the final score to update the rankings. Instead, we compute what the final score should have been based on the player grades.” What a stupid system. That’s like saying: our picks were right, what happened in the games was wrong! Alternate reality

Works for me, I hope that is the outcome of the first quarter, I'll take it every time!

PFF has the Bills 20th what a joke that site is. Explaining their system this way! “As opposed to most other ELO systems, PFF ELO doesn’t use the final score to update the rankings. Instead, we compute what the final score should have been based on the player grades.” What a stupid system. That’s like saying: our picks were right, what happened in the games was wrong! They live in their own reality.

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Yes, much better runner and nearly as good a receiver.

Not a bad idea. You can never have enough guys who can get open and catch.

Going off script in Miami may not be a bad thing! I mean Gase was his coach.

Too bad, I was looking forward to seeing Rosen play.

FIFY

Alot to not like about this deal. Establishes you get yourself off a team if you're a big enough diva. It also sets a ridiculous market for a CB. And, one that will undoubtedly get paid as well.

To be honest, after perusing their stats, they need alot! Run D is good and pass rush decent, the rest not so much. And, McVay's offense doesn't look good anywhere right now.

Wow just wow that sounds desperate

Another unilateral Bruce Allen move?

You really thought EJ deserved more of a chance to grow? I don't think I've ever heard that from anyone who thought that before. I mean without using TDs and Ints and so on, If I remember correctly it was pretty obvious that he was as good or bad as he was going to be and getting worse.

Just out of curiosty, did you include a victory over the Bills in your 10-6 record?

This is the crux of the problem, overly technical......an NFL rules monger would say......rule 63 subsection 35 section A paragraph 3 says...if the player......blah blah blah...then its not this....for further clarification refer to appendix five C...new rule this year...you didn't know?

Not paying a backup QB that kind of money. A better thread question might be, how many QBs in the NFL would you trade Allen for right now?

Calvin Johnson wasn't bad! Just sayin. They lacked a running game is the biggest issue.

To me rating QBs deserves a great deal of attention to situational awareness. Making plays on third/fourth down, Red zone, end of the half, and especially the fourth quarter. We've all seen the garbage time, prevent defense stats that look great in a box score. If you actually watch the game you go back and see a stinker performance got them in that position to start with. I know W/L record has a huge team component to it, but if you really look at it, the greatest QBs impacted games and have won a lot of them. I can't think of a position in sports that has any more to do with winning, giving somewhat adequate resources than QB....perhaps Goalies in Hockey. But, they can only keep the team in the game, eventually you need some offense to win. For me, Stafford is a good QB, I want Allen to be great.