GunnerBill

I think in fairness Rodgers complaints were really the period post 2016 when Nelson moved on etc and was replaced with nothing more than late round fliers on Geronimo Allison, MVS and Eq St Brown among others. But yes, nobody can argue we have done a good job giving weapons to our star QB.

And Randall Cobb. They still had both in their peak when they drafted Adams.

Oh Staley is an idiot. But I don't think the third quarter thing is just natural variation with Herbert, it has been his weakest quarter for the past 3 seasons consistently and pretty clearly. But I didn't come at this numbers first I came at it eye test first and was like "man I have seen this movie before with him" in the middle of last season and when I dug into it the numbers bore it out. That's got to be a mentality, concentration, personality thing. I dunno if he has the makeup to be as great as his physical talent could allow.

I confirm I am not distressed. I didn't take enchanted as though you meant literally that he has me under a spell. Because, you know, common sense.

My biggest knock on him is in game lulls. Particularly third quarter. His passer rating is 13 points lower second half than first. It has been a recurring thing with him. He is pretty good right at the end of games in the clutch but otherwise his 2nd half performance is a drop off. I've seen him sleep walk through 3rd quarters.

That is basically how I see it and then I don't see us going 0fer against the Texans, Ravens, Chiefs, 49ers and Lions. 2-3 in those 5? Sure. 1-4? Wouldn't surprise me. But 0fer in those 5 games with Josh Allen? I'd be shocked.

Better than what?

He may. But the main difference will be they will run the ball a ton more.

They'd also do it just when they felt they had a team on the ropes. It was psychological warfare. Like say 10-0 up first quarter and their defense forced a 3 or 4 and out they'd come out, go up-tempo for a drive on offense when the opposition D hadn't had much rest and if they scored and it was 17-0 it would be a hammer blow to teams.

That is a pretty big understatement. Things are massively better than they used to be. At all levels of the organisation from ownership down. Does that mean people should only want to be positive or wave pom poms? No definitely not. Does it mean any of the main protagonists in the organisation now should be beyond scrutiny? No way. But things are a hell of a lot better than they were for the majority of my fandom.

Who will only want to pass 4 times per game.

I think we need to disaggregate "critical" from "negative." I am not negative about the Bills. There are always elements of the decision making - around coaching, ownership, roster building, player performance that can be criticised. Some of those criticisms will be justified, some won't and some will be disputed either way. I agree there are some people who are inherently negative and just see everything as an example of a hopeless franchise that will never get out of its own way. The BBFS remains strong in some. But most people are just trying to critique where we stand at any one point and right now going into the season the two areas that the majority of us were concerned about - safety and wide receiver - remain big question marks. the gameday thread is fun it isn't supposed to be taken in any way seriously. It's a stream of consciousness not a genuine discussion.

Yea, I mean maybe he was, it wasn't clear but that isn't how I interpreted it. I think it was just the order they were popping into his head. We've all done that you start trying to do a list from memory and then realise you have left something out..... ask my partner about the weekly shopping trip which if left to me becomes three weekly shopping trips before I've completed the list 😆

It wasn't a ranking I don't think. He wasn't trying to put them in order.

Correct SVPG has been exclusively 3rd string at center. He did get a bit of run on Saturday at guard with a version of the line that was a mix of 2s and 3s but Anderson stayed in at center in that drive. Overall I'd describe SVPG's pre-season as "solid." But to rise up the depth chart he'd need to pop a bit more or have the guys above him to struggle and neither of those has happened.

The debate on Coleman was raging on this forum long before he ran the 40 in Indy. I remember distinctly being on a train platform on a cold, rainy, January morning typing a post on here on my phone saying my indicative receiver rankings after doing 3 games of all the perceived top guys had Coleman as WR9. That was looooong before the Combine. The only guy I really moved after Indy was Troy Franklin. I think I might have bumped Worthy a point or two as well but I dropped Franklin significantly and the reason was that the concern I had about his film was the exact issue that showed up in the gauntlet drill. You should never react just to the underwear olympics, but when you have a concern about a guy on film and you are going back and forth about how to weigh it up and then it shows itself so starkly in testing as well.... that is when you factor it in.

I agree they will miss his athleticsim in those situations. McGovern has a different set of strengths.

They will certainly miss Morse's ability to pull and even on some of the trap play stuff they did last year where his quick feet inside are an advantage. McGovern is mobile but he isn't Mitch Morse. But on the flip side in straight ahead run scenarios McGovern should be an upgrade. Morse was a weakness in those situations and actually they had good short yardage success last year running in the B gap between McGovern and Dawkins.

The way Manning phrased it about Herbert though I do understand what he is saying. I think he said "as talented as any of 'em" and while I don't necessarily agree he is as talented as Mahomes or Allen I think he is more talented than anyone else. I don't think the problem with Herbert that keeps him from being truly in the elite conversation is talent. I think it is heart and mentality.

Yea I hate this point. Not true of me AT ALL. My concerns about Coleman's tape were on this board before the Combine. I was surprised he ran that slowly at the Combine but it didn't change my opinion of him at all.

It was a bad throw. I don't disagree with you Coleman has to make that catch. But it still isn't a good throw. It is fluttering and not where it needs to be. It is still definitely catchable. But it is a poor ball.

I see that to an extent. But Keon Coleman should still FEEL like he is in prove it mode with every single snap.

He should have caught the ball. Despite it being a bad throw.

If it is the play I am thinking of it was a definite designed roll out. He definitely had one, about that down and distance and going that way. I don't have access yet to the all22... we sometimes wait longer this side of the pond for it to drop. But will double check it once I do to see if it is the play I'm thinking of. On the INT he looks wide open at that point because the DB has stopped playing the play. He is looking right at Mitch who is winding up to throw middle of the field. Go back a second or two there he isn't wide open. There are two plays from that collection that to me are slam dunk going to Coleman if Josh is in. The first one and the penultimate one.

If every down is a lie-down, sure. Agree on this. I don't think it helps Rousseau lining him up wider. Indeed it kinda negates his reach advantage a bit. It would help AJE to line him up wider the type of rusher they have turned him into. Which is kinda why I think he is suited to mainly playing 2nd/3rd and longs where you can do that.