Flip Johnson

He's not NFL ready or even close. Jackson, has never played against any high level competition and he makes Byron Leftwich's release look quick by comparison.

Yeah, he should just stay at that palace in Cincinnati.

No, he ranked Bortles above Allen!

Sure, not a guy I take seriously as a HC.

If the 2015 Panthers are a model, then no. That team had 4 WRs that had between 31 and 44 catches (Ginn, Cotchery, Funchess, and Corey Brown). The big stud was Greg Olsen - 77 catches. I don't see Beane going with WR at #9 or trading for Julio Jones or AJ Green. I think he will invest heavily on the offensive and defensive lines and be judicious at the skill positions.

I am convinced that there are some people on this board who would have watched Dan Marino in 1983 and said, "we need to see more."

Whaley was never in lockstep with the head coach. Everyone in that time period (Nix, Gailey, Whaley, Marrone, Rex) was under enormous pressure to break the drought but without a comprehensive plan or philosophical agreement within the organization. His shortsightedness was really self-protection - he didn't have time to be patient so he started throwing hail marys.

Yes. And Pettine was the Browns 5th or 6th choice. I don't think Daboll or Frazier are anyone's first choice, but that doesn't mean they aren't on a list and that it couldn't happen.

I don't think Frazier is anyone's first choice. But knowing that Wilks will likely available is nice philosophic continuity if Frazier goes.

Can't read enough of this stuff. I do think that although these games aren't highly important for the standings if the Bills and/or Jets play well against the Pats (particularly if Allen and/or Darnold outduel Brady) there will be a sense of the changing of the guard that's about to happen in 2019.

There is a weird desire in some portion of the analytics community to actively dislike the biggest, strongest, fastest guy with the best arm.

Someone who gets it!

This. The Lions played coverage and tried to spy Allen. The Jets sent pressure and embarassed our O-line but also failed to hem JA in, hence his 100-yard rushing game. It is an interesting catch-22 for defenses that will only intensify as he gets more weapons.

The concern with Rosen (for me) is just the eye test. Mayfield seems to have a certain charisma and has more advanced touch and accuracy. Darnold shows clear potential and has prototypical size. Allen is an incredible athlete, the biggest, strongest, fastest guy with the best arm - the one you'd pick first on the playground. Jackson has great speed. Rosen is listed as 6'4" 218, but he looks slight. He doesn't have the charisma, the arm strength, the physicality, or the foot speed that the other guys have. I wonder if "most pro-ready" is some kind of euphemism for lack of physical tools ... Nate Peterman was "pro ready" if you recall.

Jackson is a little bigger and just as fast as Tyrod. And Tyrod could go 11-5 with Baltimore's defense.

Who, if any, of the five teams who drafted rookie QBs in the first round are experiencing some buyer's remorse and/or paranoia that they might have messed up? I'm granting that none of the rookie QBs are finished products or lost causes and that they could all benefit from more weapons, better offensive infrastructure, etc. I think the consensus right now would be: 1. I think Browns fans feel mostly great about Mayfield and are just excited about the 2019 coaching staff and how Mayfield could continue to develop. 2. Jets fans feel semi-optimistic about Sam Darnold, but are more than a little concerned with his penchant to turn the ball over along with the possibility that maybe they should have taken Josh Allen instead. 3. Bills fans have a touch of fear from the past twenty years, but in general, feel really optimistic that JA is a budding superstar. 4. Arizona fans are hoping for weapons, coaching, etc., but have to be wondering if they really messed up on the Rosen pick. Fear level should be high here as he just doesn't seem to have the physicality or the playmaking ability anywhere near the other four QBs. 5. Don't know how Baltimore fans couldn't feel great about Lamar Jackson. Sustainability is a long term question but he has given them a spark and an identity. Side note: I am THRILLED the Pats did not draft Jackson. Additional note: The teams that put off the QB search like the Pats or the teams that middled it with later round picks (Giants with Lauletta, Steelers with Rudolph, Jaguars with Tanner Lee) have a lot to think about, because those look like wasted picks at this point, and there search for the future has not progressed.

Mitch Trubisky threw for 333 and ran for 81 in his "acid test" against the Pats. JA will go to work on the Pats.

2014 vs. the Raiders, coming on the heels of a great win vs. GB. That was a real killer, and the Bills jumped out to an early lead against a hapless Raiders team only to give it away.

In an era where receivers were not protected, Reed was incredible after the catch. One of the best all time. This is a truly absurd statement. Kelly has some bad stats in a few games that got away. He decimated the AFC in the playoffs for years and led the Bills in some very cold weather games.

The Ringer is one of the most popular websites in America for sports/pop culture. It gets 15 million+ view a month. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ringer_(website)

There will be some weird hires this offseason with the trend towards innovative offensive minds. Some guys that wouldn't previously have been considered deserving will get hired, but I'm not sure that will include Daboll.

Clay had a great catch in 2016 in a comeback game against the Dolphins. His first three years with the Bills were almost exactly the same as his prior production with Miami. The strange thing about Clay is that Bills fans acted like we signed Jimmy Graham in his prime and have perpetually been angry that Clay underperforms and Tyrod can't throw over the middle. It's not his fault that Whaley overpaid for him.

Clay is not sauntering around like KB - there's no message being sent by cutting him now. His body has broken down and he isn't an effective player. But it isn't his fault he signed that contract - it's Doug Whaley's fault. We all know that the Bills will cut him loose in the offseason, but there is no reason not to let him finish the year.

Not a scientific study, but IMO the common denominator in durable QBs is more intangible - they have a great sense of where everyone is. For example, a guy like Doug Flutie played into his 40s (granted, not all in the NFL) as a running QB, and seemed like he was never hit hard. He had incredible awareness of where everyone was. Russell Wilson has that today - he is running 90+ times a year most seasons and has not missed a game in his pro career. RG3 did not have that. Michael Vick did not have that. Some guys like Luck or Cam Newton think they're Superman - it isn't that they don't see the defender they just think they can take it. That changes as they get older.

Of course he's fast. It's just more than that. But it IS very hard to come up with speed from the second or third level of the defense, not knowing when the QB is going to slide or give himself up, and make that play, when the guy is 245 and the refs are supposed to protect him. I'm not saying he was particularly helped by yesterday's refs.