Kirby Jackson

If anything it widens the gap. Do we think bigger, slower LBs chasing Allen is an advantage to Kelly?

This whole exercise is comparing across eras. Kelly was the steward of the best team in football (much like Jalen Hurts this year). He was a very good player (much like Jalen Hurts was this year). He led an elite roster to great places and was a pro bowl player along the way. He made it to the HOF. Josh Allen is arguably the most dominant player in the sport. He’s the most valuable player in the league, playing the most important position. The Bills won a lot even when Reich was in. They won with Kelly and, at times, because of Kelly. This generation of Bills almost always win because of Josh. He’s almost always the best player on the field. Kelly was never the best player on the field. This isn’t mean as hate on Kelly but the gap between the 2 is wide. One was a great steward of a historically great team. The other IS the reason that the team is great. There isn’t a debate as to who is better. I saw every game that both played. We remember those early 90’s teams fondly but we often misremember why they were so great. It isn’t because they had one of the best QBs ever. They were the best roster in football with a top 40 all-time QB. Josh Allen will be a top 10 all-time QB.

Kelly led one of the greatest rosters in league history!!! He was a top 5-10 player on that team. He’s not close to Josh Allen.

If you have this team and the early 90’s teams had both QBs, who starts? It’s a rhetorical question. The gap from Allen to Kelly is as wide as Kelly to who is 3rd.

Sports are kind of funny. Rousseau is a way better player than Hollins or even Ty Johnson. I would much rather see them bring back those guys vs. extending Groot. I just think he’s a high end role player. He’s an 8 sack guy that’s generally pretty good against the run. I don’t want to pay him like a top 10 defensive end. That’s not good cap management. The gap from Groot to another role playing DE isn’t enough to justify the $15M AAV difference in price. At $12M AAV, sign me up for years more. At $20M+ AAV that feels like terrible value. He’s more like a 4% of the cap guy and not a 7% or 8% of the cap guy.

Allen and Kelly isn’t a debate at this point. Allen is 1 and Kelly is 2. It honestly isn’t that close. Please, please, please don’t use the Super Bowl argument. If Allen had Kelly’s roster he would have won 3+. Also, Bledsoe sucks. If you remove the first 8 games and look at the rest of the time, it’s Losman or EJish. He is far too high and his success was just 8 games. He was atrocious after that. I’ve pulled the numbers here before but couldn’t search it (assuming it’s from the ever switch). At any rate he had as many turnovers as TDs, led the league in sacks and a horrible completion percentage. Allen Kelly Kemp Flutie Fitz Tyrod Ferguson Bledsoe Orton Rob Johnson *I am only considering starters.

Mario was the best. Schobel may have had the best career here but Mario was the best player.

This is the equivalent of the NBA 2 minute report.

He might be. I’m on team “don’t put Groot” though. He’s a good role player to me. As soon as he becomes a $20M a year guy, I don’t want to have my team with that contract. I would love if he had positive trade value and went out on a deal for Garrett (obviously if he’s available).

We don’t disagree on spending. We disagree on Rousseau. You use AJ Brown as an example. If we were talking about Brown, do whatever is needed. You can’t pay role players $20M+. The $25M spotrac number makes me even less inclined. Regardless of the cap increases, it’s a bad idea to pay role players star money.

That’s fair. I think we will see some movement but maybe not with Garrett. I could see Crosby or Hendrickson going.

This is a hard no from me. I think he’s a pretty good player. This is like resetting the QB market for Tua to me. Rousseau is a $12M a year guy that’s about to be a $20M a year guy. He should be used as a trade chip this offseason to acquire an elite defensive lineman.

Landry is a good pass rusher. He would upgrade the pass rush but in a similar manner to how Leonard Floyd did. He would be an okay addition but why settle? There’s no reason for the Bills to settle on Sweat or Landry or whomever. Myles Garrett should be their target. He should be followed by Crosby/Hendrickson/Mack/Parsons and then Landry/Sweat. The Bills do not need to be concerned with cost. They need to be concerned with adding elite talent. Start with the best and work your way down from there.

Oh no doubt!! He’s definitely not Batman. He’s a slot that’s good with the ball in his hands. He’s a role player, but a good one. He should be a 3rd or 4th option on offense (including the RB). Shakir is a guy that will be dependable and run after the catch. He’s not a guy that can take over the game on his own. He’s a great role player. All championship teams have elite role players.

Lol, my bad. I like Shakir. He’s good. He had the 3rd most yards after catch in the NFL. The fact that he finished 40th in receiving yards is an indictment on the passing offense. Shakir is a really nice complementary piece and can be long term. He should have a bunch of years with production. If they can get his Average Depth of Target up, he can be really dangerous.

He caught 19 of 21 targets in the playoffs. Coleman caught 29 of 57 targets on the year. As of today, they aren’t comparable.

I didn’t see today. What did he say? Here are his end of the season comments: https://sports.yahoo.com/bills-brandon-beane-little-disappointed-161547441.html#:~:text=During his end-of-season,about Coleman's final six games.

That would be a much better WR room

That’s where I’m at. It sucks that WR is still one of the biggest needs on the team. My frustration stems from the fact that last year was, arguably, the best WR draft ever. WR was at the top of the Bills list of needs. They had an extra 2025 2nd to work with if needed. They probably needed 2 guys but certainly needed one at the top of the depth chart. I realize that’s a lot to ask of a rookie, but that’s what the need was. They left the draft, with a project, who regressed (yes he was injured) and a year later, that guy isn’t guaranteed a starting spot. Depending on how things shake out, he will be a role player. That’s horrendous execution by the football ops staff. They could have done lots and been okay at WR. Instead, they traded a 3rd, a few months later to rent Cooper. Regardless of where Coleman ends up, that whole process was a fail.

I guess where I land is what actually happened to this point not what might happen. “I expect Coleman to get better and Worthy to get hurt.” I’m not making any judgements on what might happen. Based on what has happened, there isn’t a team in the league, including the Bills, that would take Coleman over Worthy as of today. Could that change in the future? Sure. Right now, Worthy looks like a future star catching 19 of 21 playoff targets for 287 yards and 3 TDs. Coleman looks like a guy that had a lot of concerns coming in and hasn’t done anything to ease those concerns.

He had decent numbers despite a low catch percentage. Do you believe think that the Chiefs are using the post season press conference to talk about Worthy’s “up and down year?” Again, I appreciate the fandom but Worthy is, without question, the better receiver. Can Coleman close the gap? Hopefully. Coleman looks like a future role player and Worthy looks like prime Desean Jackson. Comparing them, at this point, is apples and oranges.

No they didn’t. There’s nothing to support that other than blind homerism. Worthy looked like a future star at the end of the year. If you gave 32 GMs, that includes Beane, the chance to take one or the other, 32 take Worthy.

He just needs to join the Ravens band and he will get lots of attention from Smith.

With 3 picks in the top 60 plus what should be $40Mish in cap space, both can, and should, be accomplished.