Kirby Jackson

Meyers was just an example but yes, he is better than what they have. The point being, they mix and match guys because none of them are any good. That’s the concept of “everybody eats.” Throw different skill sets at the wall and hope one sticks. If you had a guy that had better skills, they’d rotate less. When Diggs was here, he played a lot more snaps than his backup. This rotation is a function of everyone being the same. If they had better players, they’d play more snaps than the worse players.

That’s the million dollar question. Someone has looked at the talent added with Schoen here vs. without (it might have been @GunnerBill). They really haven’t had the same level of success and he was really the scout. I think that there is also something to roster building philosophy. Beane and co. follow in the footsteps of Gettleman and Hurney from Carolina. They never prioritized WRs and threw tons of valuable assets at DL (and RB too). That’s what they believe. It’s just tough to have that belief with Josh Allen at QB. If you’re buying a Ferrari give it premium fuel.

It’s more, if you have Josh Allen at QB, why would you throw less frequently in neutral situations than if you had Dillon Gabriel or Justin Fields?

I don’t disagree but the flip side is the point made by @NoSaint. The Bills are certainly better at running it. Running it successfully though, takes time off the clock, keeps the game close and allows other teams to continue running vs. the Bills. Are we better off, attacking through the air even if we aren’t as good at it? Basically, are we better off trying to methodically control the ball and be efficient vs. fire it all over the place with both good and bad results? If you can open up a 2 score lead, teams will be one dimensional against you and it won’t impact your undersized defense. You can just rush the passer and hope to get stops. My issue with the style that they play now is everyone is always in the game. Bad teams can hang around even if you’re effectively running and sustaining drives. Less possessions benefits bad teams. My belief is that this team should play with their foot on the gas. Make teams try to keep up with Josh Allen. That’s how they should be built with speed and playmakers to support him. They try not to lose more than they try to win. Attack, attack, attack and let other teams adapt to you.

Not sure if this has been posted or not but:

If you have a high end pass rusher like that, he will take away snaps from the other guys. What happens to Solomon’s snaps if they added Crosby?!? Epenesa? Landon Jackson?!? Pass!! Everybody eats!!

This is a huge week. Dalton playing helps the Bills. He has a low ceiling at this point. I think that the Bills show up and look sharp this week. Lol, I predicted that for 3 straight games. 🤣🤣 Josh might look like the MVP moving forward. It is more of a feeling than anything else but this is the most criticism this team and organization has taken in 5 years. It’s been deserved. Also, the Pats have a sneaky tough game this week. Playing Cleveland is no picnic. They get after you and can run the ball. This week could go a long way to restoring order in the AFCE.

Samuel, Palmer and Moore all had track records as role players. We overpaid for role players. The AAV of Samuel and Palmer is $18Mish. I’m suggesting that $18M would be WAY better served on one good WR and then the 2nd spot should be filled by a mid round draft pick (like Gabe Davis was). I think that the problem isn’t how they’re being used as much is it’s “they aren’t very good.” The same goes for Keon. Every guy is playing at a position on the depth chart above their ability (except Shakir). What’s happening is we have 3’s and 4’s playing as 1’s and 2’s. You have guys like Christian Gonzalez lining up across from Palmer and Coleman. 🤣🤣 That’s a total mismatch. If the Bills addressed the TOP of their depth chart (need a 1 AND 2 IMO) that would move everyone to their more natural fit. There’s pretty much never a time that the guys on the outside are lining up across from a player that they’re better than.

I guess I would push back on that and say “why?” Why would they get little snap counts? Who is blocking them from getting on the field. If the Bills added Meyers (for example) what is preventing him from leading the WRs in snaps? He’d be the best WR on the team. Why wouldn’t he play? I don’t understand

I’m in 100% agreement with the bolded. We are saying the same thing. I’m more disappointed in the people that bought in as if that was a good idea. 🤣🤣 I get why the Bills tried get people to “look over here and see the birdie.” The Bills process has been flawed. The results are obviously not good at WR but it’s because they didn’t really try. Swinging and missing happens but missing without swinging is the bigger issue.

They did it because they HAD to. That’s not what the TRIED to do. That’s my point. They tried to find a number 1. They took lots of swings and eventually did. The Bills purposely decided to have only role players. Journeyman Mack Hollins, the Patriots 4th or 5th WR, led the Bills in snaps last year. That can’t possibly happen. They traded down twice before settling for Keon as the 9th WR off the board or whatever he was. He obviously wasn’t some guy that they thought would transform the offense. If he was, they would have just picked him instead of going backwards twice. The FA dollars went to Samuel, Palmer and Moore. They didn’t draft a guy at all this year (I don’t count Prather). The Chiefs approach was, “we need to keep swinging to find elite WRs.” The Bills approach is, “get a bunch of bodies and Josh will make them good.”

Being right about a selection and trying to find an alpha aren’t the same thing. I’m not using the result to be right. I’m using their process. They have CONSISTENTLY swung early to find a guy. Rice is the guy. He’s a 1200 yard+ guy that demands targets. Worthy looks like a high end 2 and Juju & Hollywood are solid role players. There is a MAJOR difference in drafting guys early, signing former high end players and having Mack Hollins lead your team in WR snaps. The Bills haven’t actively tried to find an alpha. They’ve tried to find varying skill sets. The Chiefs have tried to find stars. The Bills PROCESS is as flawed as the guys.

The best way to stop the run is don’t allow them to run. Go up 2 scores and keep your foot on the gas. Make teams keep up!! Don’t try to keep it close and hang on at the end.

No, no, no. KC used 2 seconds (Moore & Rice) AND traded up in the 1st (Worthy) for WRs SINCE Tyreek Hill left. They signed former 1st rounders, Toney and Hollywood Brown along with former 2nd round picks Hardman and Juju. They took lots of swings on high end talents with varying degrees of success. That’s 7 guys with a first or 2nd round pedigree added since the Tyreek trade (off the top of my head). They did literally the opposite of just roll with whatever. They spent a ton of resources trying to find the number one and they have it with Rice.

It all makes sense. Nothing earth shattering here. Will they put their egos aside and make hard decisions in the best interest of the team? 🤷🏻‍♂️

He gives off “Rudy” vibes. Who cares about talent when you can try hard? The Bills are the only organization, in the history of sports, that tried (and pretty successfully) convinced their fan base that it’s better to have 4 quarters than a dollar. The concept of “everybody eats” should have had people with pitchforks. Instead, it had a bunch of sheep defending it. “Why have 1 WR that’s fast, separates, good on contested catches, good hands, runs after the catch when you can have 4 guys that can each do one of those things?!? If you don’t have a guy that’s good at everything you don’t have to throw him the ball as much and other, lesser talents can get a turn.” 🤣🤣 That’s literally what they built and people are wearing shirts and hats supporting that. We don’t ever discuss it but why not apply that to other positions? We don’t need an elite pass rusher. We just need 1 guy with a quick first step, a different guy with great hands, and a 3rd guy with a good bull rush. They can all take turns and everyone eats. This season, so far, is way more frustrating to me than the drought. This team had a super easy schedule and its biggest competitors struggling early. They have Super Bowl aspirations and they look like an average football team. There is still a lot of time and guys coming back defensively. To this point though, it’s infuriating to watch them not take advantage of their greatest opportunity.

For sure. I think it’s evolved from scrappy hard workers believing to a bit of desperation. I’m not sure it’s “believe in Josh because we trust him” as much is “believe in Josh because that’s the only way we can get it done.” It kind of goes back to the whole swagger conversation. They don’t have that edge anymore. It isn’t always coming from elite players but it was there even with guys like McKenzie. They believed. Maybe it’s all of the years of coming up short but they don’t feel like they believe anymore.

That’s what they wanted as strange as it sounds. That’s the concept of everybody eats. It’s about role players. It’s a team full of role players and Josh. Cook forced his way into star territory. When you draft poorly in the first 100 picks you are left trying to convince people that it’s better to have interchangeable pieces than to have elite talent. Lol, at least half of this message board bought into that nonsense. 🤣🤣

We are a bit confused. We are a run heavy team that plays with a lot of TEs. It used to be a 6th OL but now it’s Hawes. We want to run, limit mistakes and control the clock. It’s just a super weird approach and way of building a team around, arguably, the most physically gifted QB in history. 🤣🤣 This offense would have been the PERFECT offense when you had Tyrod under center.

He’s no longer an elite nickel. That’s okay though, if we had elite corners they would take away snaps from everyone else. Taron fits perfectly into the everyone eats philosophy.

I’ve always liked Fields. I ranked all of the starting QBs on here prior to this season. I had him at 28. I more liked him from OSU than as a pro (although I didn’t think he would struggle this much this year). He looked functioning the last couple of years.

Ohio State would strangely score some points. We’ve had a hard time defending much worse receivers. Tate and Smith TODAY, would be the best tandem of WRs that the Bills have faced this year. That’s not hyperbole either. I don’t know if people understand just how good they are. This is the school that’s given you: Olave, Wilson, Harrison, JSN and Egbuka over the last few years. Tate compares to Wilson as a prospect and Smith is better than every name mentioned. Ohio State WRs come in and play at a high level. These aren’t “guys that may be good someday.” They are very good NFL WRs right now. Lol, assuming Sayin had a little time, they would make some explosive plays. I’d put the score at 56-17 or something like that.

It’s Josh but so far we have the head hanging version of Josh this year. He doesn’t get all fired up for every game but still generally does for the biggest moments. He’s the only answer. The OL would be my 2nd choice. The Bills could use a little fire and swagger. That’s why Curt Cignetti was my coaching target (prior to getting $11.5M a year). CGJ would have been a nice pickup for this reason too (in addition to our safeties being terrible).

Maybe a different way is, how many guys on Ohio State would start on the Bills now? It’s 3 or 4. Tate and Smith would both start at WR and Downs at S. Reese would start at LB but maybe not, in the nickel, with everyone healthy. The Bills would have 18 or 19 starters. If they played a game, the Bills would crush them.