Kirby Jackson

Thanks @Virgil!! These have consistently become the best threads of the year.

I’m out after the injury. A year ago, I was all for it. You can’t pay that and not know what you’re getting.

That’s probably where it’s coming from. They are “building the bench.” They’ll continue working through the current people, then move to the waiting list (probably in order of deposit date) and then their entire database. I actually think that their order has made sense. It has allowed them flexibility to move around PSL numbers to meet demand (they may never admit that). It just feels too slow. If we get to the start of the season and there are still current people that haven’t gone, that’s a problem. If you start seeing sales booths set up on game day, that’s a problem. They’ll ultimately get where they need to but they may have to remain more flexible than they originally anticipated to get there.

@Just Jack posted this a little earlier in the thread. The tricky part (and frustrating part) is that we really have no idea where the Bills are in the process (to my knowledge). We don’t know how successful it has been. We don’t know what percentage of current people have been offered. We don’t know the total number transacted, in other words, what percentage of that group has said yes. We do not know how many are available in total, or in particular areas. The Bills have been well intended in this process and it can’t be easy. At the same time, it feels like this process has to be taking longer than they originally anticipated. Maybe that is just my perception, but if not, they are going to have to make some changes or the clock is going to run out. They are offering interest free financing for a period of time. Each day that they fall further behind cuts off a portion of that period (unless they extend it). It just feels like it needs to speed up and soon.

The PSL lasts 30 years. I haven’t read through my contract so I don’t know if it caps price increases within there? Either way, that’s what I like to do. I’m about a year in on my PSL payments. It does suck because I have that monthly payment along with the monthly payment for the tickets this year. It’s a lot for my 2 seats but knew that going in. By the time the stadium opens, it’ll go back to just the ticket payment price because the PSL will be paid off by then.

Just spitballing here but maybe they go to $125 each? I have no idea but that would be $400 per ticket more for the year. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I don’t know what you pay now but mine are roughly double I think. I also upgraded locations. Maybe plan on like a 50% increase? They’ve been giving out increases to start to prepare everyone so that it shouldn’t be a huge increase. Hopefully like 20%.

Incredible deal for the Bills!! This is the best extension of the offseason (Shakir deal is next. I don’t really count the Josh deal).

Keep arguing with facts. Yell at the clouds. Do whatever helps you to sleep at night. I watched Worthy take off late in the year and in the playoffs. I gave you facts. You chose to stick your fingers in your ears and yell “La La La La La, I can’t hear you” because it’s a painful truth. The Chiefs drafted a young Desean Jackson (in the Bills slot) and the Bills drafted a young Gabe Davis.

Agree to disagree on multiple fronts. In the playoffs Worthy caught 19 of 21 targets for 15.1 YPR. That’s Desean Jacksonish. He became a bigger problem for teams as the year went along. He’s a bonafide starting receiver and one that keeps DCs up at night. Fair on the comparison with the 2 players. The disagreement there lies in, the thought that Coleman could have had 19 catches on 21 targets. He caught 10 of his last 29. That’s so incredibly inefficient. That’s why he can’t be more than a jump ball guy until (and if) he learns to get open. You can’t provide volume to a guy that catches 1/3 of them. That’s with the MVP throwing him the ball. He will see a few throws a game and be a part time player. Coleman might be able to become early Gabe Davis.

I agree. It makes me wonder why they didn’t have more of the lower bowl covered? If they wanted to remain outdoors, you probably should have covered almost all of the seats. The last few years of snow and rain have been pretty brutal. While some people prefer being outside, I don’t know 1 person that likes getting rained on when it’s 45 degrees. 🤣🤣

Keon caught 10 of his last 29 targets!! At that rate, the Bills would have needed to throw him the ball like 57 times to get to 19 receptions. That’s 2 games worth of throws. They could have done it easily? 🤣🤣 Do you honestly believe, at this point, that Coleman will be a better player than Worthy? I 100% don’t believe that and not sure that a reasonable person could at this point. Again, we have chosen to hate on him because he went in the slot that was the Bills AND he went to the Chiefs. He came on after Thanksgiving and exploded in the playoffs. He’s showing the trajectory that you’d hope for a 1st round rookie. He got better as the year went along not the other way around. Feel free to hate all that you want but Worthy and Rice are a very dangerous combo. They are explosive playmakers.

Xavier Worthy had 19 playoff receptions in 3 games!! Keon Coleman had 29 receptions during the season. We so desperately want Worthy to be a gadget guy. He looks like prime Desean Jackson

This is why it’s so important to hit on those first few picks. That’s the best way to find top end talent for this team. If they were able to get McDuffie instead of Elam, how much better would we be feeling? McConkey or Worthy instead of Coleman? Zay Flowers over Kincaid? It’s crucial this year that at least 1 of those 3 picks develops into a top 10 player at their position within the next 2 to 3 years. For example, it would be great if Kenneth Grant became a top 10 1T or Trey Amos a top 10 CB2 (if those were the guys that they picked). They have enough guys but not enough dudes.

Fun topic and congrats to you both!! That’s pretty cool

We disagree here. McDermott needs a better D. There’s nothing worse than Josh off the field with the game on the line. Give me Josh Allen with elite wr and the game on the line vs. Sean McDermott with an elite DT and the game on the line. Fair and don’t disagree with any of those (part of why I’m in the camp of signing Cook).

Sure and Tom Brady was a 6th. Maxx Crosby was a 4th. Christian Benford was a 6th. You can find stars anywhere but that isn’t a good strategy. You HOPE that you’re 5th becomes Diggs. You don’t plan on it. The Bills need dudes not guys. Josh is a dude. He may be the ONLY one on the team. They have some close and Benford probably rises to that level (the OTs as well). They don’t need another Mack Hollins. They NEED another guy that wins because he’s better than the guy in front of him, not because of scheme but because of talent. When the scheme gets stopped you need to have the talent to make plays. I think 1T is a bigger need than WR. I think an elite WR makes a bigger impact on this team than an elite 1T. Again, I’m not against taking any position, at any point (except early QB). I am 100% against taking need over talent at a more impactful position. They made mistakes in the top of the last 3 drafts. That’s why they have a lot of guys and not enough dudes. Totally fair and I’m fine with that. I’m not opposed at 30 though if the right guy is available.

Are you against WR in the 1st? I think he’s suggesting that the value may be there in the 1st but not likely to be in the 2nd. Burden/Egbuka/Golden all have a chance to be there at pick 30. Each would be considered decent value there. The guys at the end of round 2 wouldn’t be considered great value. I don’t want to speak for @OldTimer1960 but that’s how I read it. Basically, you can consider WR at 30 but probably not with those late 2’s. The way that I’ve always viewed it is, “take care of what Josh needs first and fill out the rest of the team from there.” They may not have that luxury this year with a starting CB spot open. I do firmly believe that the Bills have a bigger need at 1T than at WR. With that being said, I think a WR will have a bigger impact on the Bills getting over the hump. My draft philosophy, with this particular group is: 1) Address any positions without a starting option if the value is there (CB2). 2) Get more weapons for Josh if the value is there (really talking WR). 3) Get bigger and nastier on the DL. 4) Get another guy to compete at the S position. 5) Look for a P and long-term backup QB. The depth of these positions and how the board falls will determine when each of these is addressed. You probably have to take a CB in the 1st 2 rounds if you don’t sign a viable stopgap or starter before the draft. Otherwise, you can let the board play out INCLUDING DT. You COULD do something like: Egbuka, Landon Jackson, Thomas (if the board broke your way) and then trade up into the 3rd for Josh Farmer to be your DT. I’m not saying that this will happen or even be available, but something like this IS possible (insert whatever names you want). The point being that the Bills are not forced to draft just this position or that position. They have needs but can address them in whatever order depending on the board.

Beane after timing Restrepo:

Many of us have been screaming to get more help for Josh. Don’t make him overcome a lack of weapons. Let those weapons be an accelerant to the best player in franchise history. If the Bills, god forbid, don’t win one with Josh Allen, this will be a WAY bigger deal in hindsight. It will be viewed as malpractice. If they are to win, it’ll be BECAUSE of Josh Allen. Priority number 1 should be, “get him whatever the hell he wants/needs to be the best version of himself.” Everything else comes after that. Other teams are built differently. The Bills are perennially contenders because of a bad division and Josh Allen. There are no other reasons. They have okay coaching. They have had pretty solid defenses. They’ve had average to below average skill players and an above average OL. They’ve won 5 straight division titles because of Allen. They are doing it without all pros and pro bowlers. They are doing it without guys that are top 5 at their positions.

Nice job as always @GunnerBill. I just don’t see Sanders going in the top 3 so I liked how you addressed it in this mock. If I can get decent odds on Dart going ahead of him, I’m taking it. It’s just a feeling but somewhere like New Orleans feels possible.

Hamlin isn’t very good. He knows the system though and is okay depth. If they brought him back to be the 4th or 5th safety, I’m fine with it. I hope that the guy from Washington passes him and they NEED Bishop to not be bad again. They used a 2nd round pick on him. They passed on some guys that are already ahead of him at the position.

When I say “small trade up” I was talking about using the 2nd. Based on the value, you could have gotten into that range if they had a partner. Maybe they didn’t have a partner? Maybe they weren’t willing to pay the price? There’s almost always a trade to be had if you’re willing to pay the price. I was off the belief last year, that they should have done whatever was necessary to get one of the top 3 WRs. I didn’t care about the cost. The Bills don’t need more guys. They needed a number 1 WR and felt like that was the only way to do it. Thomas would have been behind those 3 for me but an option. I’m sure that they tried to go up but you’re right, there probably wasn’t a deal to be had. I wouldn’t have overspent for Thomas at the time. I would have for any of the top 3.

I totally agree. I liked the Kincaid pick at the time but not the Coleman pick. For me, I don’t really take much issue with either player. They seem to work hard and both tried to tough it out through injuries. If anything, my “issue” is with the front office continually missing in that part of the draft. The last 3 years produced Elam, Kincaid and Coleman at the top. That’s just not good enough. In those same 3 drafts KC landed McDuffie, Worthy and Karlaftis in the first (plus Rice in the 2nd). The Bills have done great on day 3. They just need to get better at the top of the draft to find more impact players.

There’s a wide range between bust and overdrafted. It’s too early to call either a bust. I think Kincaid is less likely to bust but also less likely to take a huge leap because of age. Kincaid will be a quality starting TE. That’s not what I want if I’m trading up in the first. I want an all-pro. He could become that but he’s not close now. Coleman looks like a part time WR. He looks like he could become early Gabe. That’s a fine role. That’s not what I wanted when the team needed a number 1 and guys drafted around him are that. No one is writing either off but they are absolutely not where you’d hoped that they would be.