Kirby Jackson

I didn’t see that last night (fell asleep at 1/2) but think I’ve seen it before. I’m with you that it is 100% crazy. If the officials were wrong, and you were right, regardless of if it resulted in a 1st down or TD or whatever, you shouldn’t relinquish a TO. Frustrating

We’ve legitimately seen people argue on here that “everybody eats” is a better idea. “Yeah but if you have a guy that demands targets it takes away from other people.” Imagine being like, “naw, forget about adding (any name mentioned) what is that going to do to Tyrell Shavers targets?!?” 🤣🤣 You can find people making that argument all over the internet. Are they completely brainwashed or really, really stupid? There is no alternative. Imagine being like, “but if we have a good receiver that will mean less balls will be thrown to the bad receivers.” 🤣 That feels like a move they’d make. My guess is it is 1 DB and 1 WR. If I had to guess I would say Woolen and Jauan Jennings (just a feeling on that one).

Bills should counter with a young player and a 1st or 2nd. They are in no position to part with a mid-round pick.

Welp, so much for my guy:

This might be a controversial take (but it shouldn’t be). If Josh Allen played at the exact same level that Jim Kelly did for his career (top 5ish QB) this Bills team would have no chance. They don’t have enough talent around him. He can’t be “one of the best players in a game.” If he isn’t, “the best player on the field” they aren’t a contender.

It is like that are you a liar or incompetent? Did he really think that they were okay at WR? If he did, I’m deeply concerned. 85% of this message board recognized the problem and the GM didn’t?!? If he knew they were bad and just shouted down the morning show guys without even believing what he was saying, that too is concerning. Is the ego that fragile? Are you that insecure that you can’t handle mild criticism? Either way, when he pushed his chips in that day, he opened himself up to all of the criticism coming his way now for the trash WR room.

Oh I know. The fact that anybody had to say that out loud is hilarious to me. The fact that the Bills leadership literally tried to build the roster exactly the opposite is crazy. They were like “throw everything at defense and Josh will make everyone fine.” It was insanity at the time and it’s insanity in hindsight. Beane really missed.

Lol, I don’t know either. Because we need him more?? 🤣🤣🤣

Lol, without piling on Tre being an absolute liability hasn’t helped either. They should change his number from 27 to 🎯

We agree. It’s more for me “adding a pretty good player that’s a less than ideal fit is better than status quo.” I don’t think he makes them worse. He isn’t near the top of the list but he does make them better. I wouldn’t even be opposed to adding 2 guys like Meyers and Shaheed. You don’t solve the number 1 receiver issue but you get a better version of everybody eats.

Tucker is an interesting, and potentially inexpensive option.

Lol, not to be that guy but Keon is from Louisiana. That probably makes him go out in the Olave deal. 🤣🤣

I don’t disagree that he primarily wins in the short and intermediate. He’s also been a very good contested catch guy. A redundant skill set that works is an upgrade from a different skill set that is ineffective. I’d rather have Shakir/Kincaid/Meyers working the short and intermediate than throwing 50/50 balls to Coleman. Again, he isn’t the perfect fit but he is a better player than what they have and shouldn’t be too expensive (I wouldn’t think). Status quo is a worse option than every single guy listed. When you have, unquestionably, a bottom 3 WR room, and maybe the worst, what’s the downside? There is no scenario where inserting Meyers in place of Coleman/Samuel/Moore makes you worse. Those guys just aren’t good or in Samuel’s case, healthy ever. I think that we all agree with that.

To be clear, Meyers is not the 1st choice (or 2nd). If he is he guy that “they can get” though, he’s 100% an upgrade. No one is advocating for him. If your options are Meyers or status quo, it’s Meyer’s WITHOUT QUESTION. The last 3 years he’s averaging like 75 catches, 900 plus yards and 6 TDs playing with bad QBs. He would instantly be he best WR in the room. Again, he isn’t a perfect fit but they are better with him than standing pat. The skill he adds, is the ability to get open.

Meyers has played almost 50/50 (50.9/48.6 according to Pro Football Focus) in his career slot vs. boundary. The other random snaps were at TE or in the backfield. The thought that he can ONLY be a slot is wrong.

I keep going back to, “does adding Meyers and subtracting Samuel/Coleman/Moore” make you better or worse? That’s a rhetorical question. Adding the best receiver on your roster makes you better. Is he ideal? No. Is he absolutely an upgrade? Yes. The Bills have backed themselves into a corner where they have to get better even if it isn’t perfect.

I’m assuming that Samuel or another receiver goes out in the deal (maybe even Coleman if they are fed up with him). It should just be a roster “swap out” with everyone getting bumped down a spot. It’s not perfect and I 100% agree it’s a bad situation. It doesn’t “solve” the problem but it does improve the situation (at least some).

I think there’s certainly truth here but we are in a unique situation. I wouldn’t say that the Bills WR room “needs upgrading.” I would say “it is a bottom 3 group in the NFL and maybe last.” The best WR on the team is Shakir. He’s a good player. He’s a top 5-10 slot option and tough after the catch. He’s maybe a top 45-50ish WR. The next best WR on the team is Josh Palmer. Is he one of the 60-70 best receivers in football? Keon is probably somewhere between 80-105. These guys we are talking about aren’t elite (with the exception of AJ Brown or Garrett Wilson and those are extreme LONG shots). Olave is probably in the 25ish range. Meyers is in the 35ish range. Shaheed is in the Shakir range but a different player. Bourne is playing like a very good WR. I think we are crazy to expect these guys to come in and dominate. At the same time, pretty much every guy we have listed is, as good, or better than our best. That isn’t overvaluing them. It’s more of an indictment on how bad the room currently is. If you put any of the names mentioned on one side, Palmer on the other and Shakir in the slot, you aren’t great there. You’re barely acceptable (sans the stars). At the same time if you have the 25th, 47th and 63rd best receivers in football (or whatever) starting, that’s a big step up from 47th, 63rd and 92nd. If you ever added 2 of them…..

Josh is having a bad year by his standards. He’s playing at a Pro Bowl level. That’s not good enough for this team to get where they want to go. That’s part of the problem though and why he gets absolved a lot. If he plays as the 5th-7th best QB the Bills are done. He has to be a top 3 player in the NFL for them to have a chance. That’s always been the fear of the “we need WRs crowd.” What happens when Josh is just really good? It’s like having a perennial MVP candidate in the NBA that’s having a down year. Joker averaged 29.6/12.7/10.2 on 57.6% shooting. If this year he goes out and averages 26.8/10.4/8.7 on 54.2% shooting he is a great player. He would be one of the best players in the world and the Nuggets would have no prayer of a championship. That’s where we are at with Josh.

“Rickey Oops” is more like it

The guy gave me the Bills at -200 before the year. That was way better than I was getting in Vegas. After week 4, I was offering buyouts. Now, he is ALL over me. The amount of gifs I’m receiving daily is crazy. 🤣🤣

That makes sense for why we aren’t seeing things eye-to-eye. Before the year I would have said 12-5 or 11-6 with a division title was the floor. We are underachieving to my floor so I’ve bumped it down to a WC and 10-7. Lol, it better be the division though because I have a sizable wager with some Dolphin fan on Twitter (he gets the field). 🤣🤣