Kirby Jackson

My Mona Lisa:

Maybe you’re right. I remember having this EXACT conversation during the Bon Jovi era. These people were CONVINCED that the team was heading to Toronto without any understanding of the lease agreement basically making that impossible. Sure enough, the Bills future in WNY was secured and the new stadium on the way. Fast forward a decade and people think that the team is leaving because 1% of the tickets in the stadium have higher PSLs than they expected 😂😂. It’s WILD to watch. Lol, I keep coming across as dismissive and an a-hole but I can’t help it. I feel a responsibility here to prevent this growing “Chicken Little sentiment” built on misinformation and lack of understanding. I will try to say this as clearly as possible. THE BILLS WILL BE IN WNY FOR AT LEAST 30 YEARS. THE PSLS WILL SELL TO BILLS FANS AT THE RATE THAT TICKETS CURRENTLY DO. THE NEW STADIUM WILL BE FULL OF BILLS FANS. EVERYONE RELAX!!

Listening to people trying to explain what they think is going to happen is annoying. The doom and gloom is back. The lack of understanding from some, combined with the Bills not providing much info has the chicken littles back out. I’ll go on record that 90%+ of the lower bowl will be Bills fans. The PSLs will ALL be snatched up by the current base/waiting list.

That’s not happening here. Those PSLs will be like $5K or less in Buffalo. There will be no more opposing fans in the new stadium than there are currently. It’s just not the makeup of this place. It’ll be 90%+ Bills fans at all times (as it always has been).

Because that won’t raise the $200m that they’re looking for

Yeah, it’s not. This isn’t some “trick” being played by the Pegulas. This is a process that MANY teams use to offset the private portion of the stadium financing. They pass it along to the consumers. The Bills will be here for a generation (at least). They’ve started with the most expensive locations to discourage people from going back a tier. They don’t have a large buyer pool at the higher levels. They can’t have those people downgrading their spend or they won’t achieve their revenue objectives. They’re rolling it out in phases to maximize revenue and adjust pricing as needed.

I agree with this. I think the reason for holding off on releasing the rest is because they may fluctuate some depending on what’s selling now. As an example, maybe they are debating between 10,000 seats at $1500 vs. $2000? Maybe they are debating 10,000 seats between $5000 and $7500? The overwhelming majority of PSLs will cost the PSL holder less than $100 a month, after financing fees, for the 10 years. Some may be as little as $15 a month.

Said differently,”the money could be spent adding value to my home. I need to resurface the driveway and pool area.” Those same dollars will pay for my 2 PSLs. I’m not taking away from any necessities or strong “wants.” I’m electing to purchase these PSLs and waiting on the driveway. These are the types of decisions that many of us will make. People aren’t deciding between food and PSLs but they may be deciding between a vacation and PSLs. They are going to take up a portion of discretionary income that none of us have ever committed.

No one wants to pay these fees. Pegula could obviously pay that portion without jamming up regular people. It’s simple economics though. It’s supply and demand. It is not a good financial decision for me. That money would be better served elsewhere. I can only speak for me, but I value the games enough to make the sacrifice. It’s the way of the world now.

You aren’t forced to buy the PSL either. If you want to guarantee the same seat for each game, or shortest wait time for rides, you have the option to purchase it. You can always buy tickets on the secondary market and pay whatever they’re priced without buying a PSL. Yep, universities have been doing this for years. Think about all of the public universities doing the same thing.

The value actually favors the Bills by 5 points. I’m not saying that I would or wouldn’t do it but according to the chart, the Bills would “win” that trade.

Just skimming this novel. Explain the $3 per ticket fee currently being charged in Nashville to offset the cost of the new stadium. Outrage or no because they aren’t calling it a PSL and it’s offsetting the government’s portion as opposed to the owner’s? You’re trying WAY too hard to differentiate “fees” from “PSLs.” I know a little on the subject. I have a master’s in sports business and spent almost a decade working in pro sports on the business side. I’ve worked directly on arena lease agreements and funding deals. I understand the topic WAY better than most. You do not need to explain to me the finances of it 😂😂. There are MANY venues that are funded by the tax payers (at least at some level). They ALL charge for tickets. Any EXTRA fees associated with purchasing a ticket is akin to a PSL. That “right to buy a ticket fee” may just go to TM or Stubhub as opposed to the owner offsetting the cost. You’re trying too hard to be angry or knowledgeable. I’m not sure which you’re trying to prove but you really don’t understand it like you think you do. With all of this outrage, I sure hope that you’re someone that is faced with a decision on their PSL spend. If this outrage is coming from someone not even impacted, that’s ridiculous. If you aren’t someone faced with a financial decision because of a PSL, you do not deserve an opinion on the topic. You can’t be outraged at how we choose to spend our money. What’s the max that you’re willing to pay for a PSL? Where are your tickets currently? I’ll give you a rough projection of what to expect.

Yeah, I doubt that they use Cook but could use Samuel. He is basically here as a “weapon.” He’s a poor man’s Deebo or a rich man’s McKenzie. I could see them getting 2-3 touches a game in the return game.

Based on the draft value chart the Raiders could trade 44 & 77 to get to 28. The point value is roughly the same.

Samuel is WAY more capable than Shakir to take on that role IMO. I suspect that the KO rule was a thought as they signed him.

Great work as always @GunnerBill. A few things, I can’t see Nix at 12. Denver may sell that pick off and go back. If he’s there at that point, fine. They could look at Penix too. It’s kind of like when the Bills took EJ. They had to get a QB but wanted more value so they went back. I think Quinyon Mitchell will be the first CB off the board. I have been hesitant on AD Mitchell to the Bills because of effort and consistency concerns. Legette or McConkey feel like the targets (for different reasons). Overall, great job and logic.

It sure has that “feel” to me too. They’ve basically filled out the roster but left “X” receiver blank. I don’t know if they’ll be able to get higher than 9 but could see them going “all in” on one of the big 3. That’ll give the Bills one of football’s best rosters. It’ll give Josh Allen football’s best weapons. I just don’t know if one of those 3 will make it far enough.

I understood the PSL argument from the start. The part that I’m hung up on is why are you trying so hard to differentiate a PSL from any other ticketing fee that you pay as a “right to buy the ticket?” That’s obviously way more common when you’re talking about standalone events like a concert or show. You’re paying someone for the right to buy that seat. It’s the same thing. It just lines someone’s pockets as opposed to funding a portion of stadiums (although sometimes it does fund a portion of the stadium). I guess the other part that I’m hung up on is, “why do you have an issue with PSLs when the people using the product are the one’s electing to purchase?” I have 2 club seats and plan to continue in a similar capacity. It is my choice whether or not to continue. Do I want to pay a crazy amount for the right to buy two seats? Of course not!! I understand though, if I’m going to be using the stadium, it’s reasonable to expect me to contribute more than someone not using it. I get that you don’t want to pay your PSL. None of us do. There will be PSLs that are probably as low as $1000. If someone can’t afford that, with 10 years to finance, they probably shouldn’t be buying season tickets. That’s $10 a month(ish). Fortunately, we all have the choice to pay it or not. If we want to keep our tickets, that’s what it’s costs now.

Bruh, I promise that you don’t want to do this. 😂😂😂 There are a bazillion venues that are owned by the public. That’s the tax money part. They all charge for tickets to events. You putting that on the list is hilarious. Like, “oh yeah, which of these venues CHAAARRRRRRGES for their tickets, smart guy?” You’re hung up on the PSL part. It’s okay that you don’t understand how it works. It’s a fee, PAID BY THOSE PLANNING TO CONSUME THE PRODUCT, for the right to purchase tickets, to offset some of the costs, that the private party incurs. So to be clear, you’re upset that THE PEOPLE CONSUMING THE PRODUCT are paying a fee for the right to buy a ticket to consume that product? Don’t you pay a fee on every single ticket that you buy? Isn’t that fee the right to buy a ticket? Lastly, why are you mad that those people that elect to buy tickets are charged a PSL? Shouldn’t you be more angry that tax money from people that may not care is being used to build this place? That feels like the cloud that you should be yelling at.

Lol, somebody come get your son. I can’t do this any longer…

Is this a serious question? Why do people double down and triple down when they’re wrong? Remember when you could just be wrong and move along? At any rate, MANY concert facilities / theaters are owned by the tax payers. As an example, Shea’s is owned by the City of Buffalo. All charge for tickets. Any fees associated with those tickets are the equivalent of a PSL. They are a fee for the right to buy a ticket.

Lol, felt like toilet paper fit well with Taco Bell

But it is the norm in entertainment. The tax payers fund the facility. The tickets cost what they cost. You pay a fee on top of that ticket price to be able to purchase the ticket. Why compare a sporting event to a Taco Bell instead of a sporting event to a theater or concert venue? You can compare ice cream to frozen yogurt or you can compare ice cream to toilet paper. I’m not sure why you’re electing the ice cream to toilet paper as opposed to ice cream to frozen yogurt.

Tax payer funded venues is an easy one. Paying for the ticket is 100% of the time. If you count TM fees or Stub Hub fees or whatever as “the right to buy the seat” all of your boxes are checked. This isn’t rare.

I knew that I liked you.