What a Tuel

Welp so long as we are writing off wins. The Patriots have only beaten the Saints, Falcons and cheated the Steelers or the Texans (can't have both). Otherwise they lost to the Chiefs, Panthers, Dolphins. And beat several "undeserved" teams such as the 4-10 Bucs, 5-9 Jets, 7-7 Chargers, 5-9 Broncos, 6-8 Raiders, 6-8 Dolphins. TLDR: The Patriots only really beat two good teams all year.

Good. I saw how hyped the Bills were against the Falcons. They thrive on being the underdog. No one thinks they will even compete Sunday. I hope this is under their skin right now.

How is there 0% chance Garoppalo is available for 2 1st rounders? I mean yeah, he was traded to the 49ers, and the 49ers won't give him up after doing that, but he went for a 2nd round pick, and now he is suddenly worth 2 1st rounders?

Garoppolo has thrown 200 passes in the NFL. He has not proven he is a franchise QB. Heck Winston, Carr, Mariota, Trubisky, Prescott, Goff, etc have not even proven they are franchise QBs. Compound that with "the best coach in NFL history" giving up what would be a perfect set up for the future of the Patriots, the contract the unproven Garoppolo will want since his rookie year is over, and you have the perfect storm for failure. We have a better chance drafting a QB in a supposedly weak draft class which I have heard every year since the legit bad QB class of 2013. 2014 Carr, Jimmy "Franchise QB bc he was on the Pats" Garoppolo, Bortles. 2015 Winston, Mariota 2016 Goff, Wentz, Prescott 2017 Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson For the love of all that is holy, let us draft a god forsaken QB of our own, and not pay through the nose for someone another team two teams don't think was worth keeping. And yes, we will pay for getting one. We will pay a lot. We won't care in 2 years when that price is paid.

God no. We will see the flaws of Garoppalo when the clouds of "at least they aren't going 1-15" clear.

Let's just settle the Rams vs the Bills discussion in the Super Bowl.

.....how? Ugh. He better come out gunning it like he did against the Fins in the first half. We won't win with him scrambling for 3 yard gains on 3rd and 12.

Nicely laid out! I still say win and we are in. No way the Jaguars drop the 49ers and Titans!

This felt like the Bengals game where everything was going in our favor, but we let them stick around to eventually win it. We should have buried the Dolphins in the 3rd quarter, but instead it came down to an onside kick, and Cutler screwing it up. Brady and most other NFL QBs won't.

If we lose to NE then for it to come down to simply beating the Dolphins in Week 17 to get in then you are rooting for the following in Week 16: Ravens loss to the Colts AND Chargers loss to the Jets Then I believe we just have to beat the Fish to get in. Otherwise, it gets a bit more complicated, and we will need help in Week 17.

You guys are right, forgot about the Jaguars. I think that is a pretty big longshot though, but I guess it could happen, so there is a way Bills could miss out if they win.

The thing about 9-7 for the Bills is that if the Chargers win their remaining two, they own the H2H tiebreaker on us UNLESS it is a three way tie. Some people look at the Titans loss to the 49ers as a blow to the chances of a three way tie because they play two tough remaining teams. I disagree since the Titans losing puts the Bills in a "win and you are in" situation albeit a tough win against the Patriots is needed.

It's not lost on us. We are in a better scenario to control our own destiny with a Titans loss. Maybe you give up on the Pats game, but the Bills as a team certainly have not. The Bills absolutely control their own destiny. There are only two other teams that can get to 10-6 and 2 wildcard spots. Titans and Ravens. We win the tie breaker against the Titans in that scenario. http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine/_/factor/wins/results/400951631~2~400951675~2~400951667~1~400951788~1~400951748~2 Bills 10-6 Win against Patriots and Dolphins and we are in Bills 9-7 Help needed: Ravens to lose to Colts or Bengals. Chargers are irrelevant if this happens. OR Titans to lose to Jaguars but win against Rams. Chargers are irrelevant if this happens. OR Titans to lose next two games + Chargers to lose at least one of next two games.

They don't if they lose to bengals or colts.

We aren't. Theirs and rexs wishful thinking. Scratch that. You are right.

If the Patriots lose tonight and the jaguars keep it up, we could easily end up playing them the pats in round 1. Best to man up and compete with them.

We control our own destiny if the titans lose. That is what's best for the bills.

For that to happen Chargers have to go 2-0 Titans have to go 0-3 Baltimore has to go 2-0 Bills would have to go 1-1 That would be a hail mary if it were what the bills needed to get in.

With a titans loss today we control our own destiny for the wildcard!

I'll just post this here bc its probably more relevant to this thread. I am sure I missed something here and there, but these are the basics. Scenario 1: Bills win out - 10-6 Help needed: Titans or Ravens to drop one game. Scenario 2: Bills win 2 of 3 - 9-7 (Assumes Bills sweep Dolphins. Splitting with Dolphins and beating New England makes things a bit more difficult) Help needed option 1: Ravens to go 1-2 Chargers need to go 1-1 or 0-2 OR Chargers go 2-0, then Titans need to drop 2 games (One has to be vs Jaguars) Help needed option 2: Titans to go 0-3 Ravens or Chargers need to drop just one of 4 games (any game except Ravens vs Browns) Help needed option 3: Titans to go 1-2 Ravens need to drop one to colts or Bengals OR Titans win is not against Jaguars Chargers are irrelevant. Help needed option 4: Titans to go 2-1 or 3-0 We would need Ravens to lose 1 game (Colts or Bengals) Chargers are irrelevant

Its mid-December and we aren't just mathematically alive, we hold the 6th seed. We just need to play our games, and hope we get a break and one of several scenarios go our way.

Common games win percentage. Baltimore does better with a win against the Colts and Bengals. Baltimore losing to one of those two teams gives us the tie breaker back in strength of victory although them losing drops them to 9-7 anyways. This is the main reason we can get in at 9-7 still and chasing Baltimore isn't a lost cause yet. Baltimore: Bengals W Raiders W Dolphins W Colts W Bengals W Bills: Bengals L Raiders W Colts W Dolphins W Dolphins W Fun fact though, beating New England and splitting with Miami loses the tiebreaker for us against Baltimore at 9-7. Super important for Ravens to drop one games (Colts or Bengals) and Bills to at least beat Miami twice.

I am not planning on us winning, but if the Dolphins can beat them, then so can we. Of course they seem to have our number so the outlook is poor, but there's a reason why they play the games! Let's beat the Dolphins first though.

Scenario 1: Bills win out - 10-6 Help needed: Titans or Ravens to drop one game (Ravens must drop Bengals or Colts) Scenario 2: Bills win 2 of 3 - 9-7 Help needed option 1: Ravens to go 1-2 Chargers need to go 1-1 or 0-2 OR Chargers go 2-0, then Titans need to drop 2 games (One has to be vs Jaguars) Help needed option 2: Titans to go 0-3 Ravens or Chargers need to drop just one of 4 games (any game except Ravens vs Browns) Help needed option 3: Titans to go 1-2 Ravens need to drop one to colts or Bengals OR Titans win is not against Jaguars Chargers are irrelevant. Help needed option 4: Titans to go 2-1 or 3-0 We would need Ravens to lose 1 game (Colts or Bengals) Chargers are irrelevant So as you can see - there are options at every variation of the Titans winning/losing. So ultimately it is better to root for the Titans to lose at every turn until it becomes more clear.

No, we want the Titans to lose whenever possible. I know it "feels" better, but the odds of the Titans losing all three, and both Baltimore and the Chargers winning all 5 of their games is a lot more unlikely than the Titans dropping all three, and the Ravens/Chargers dropping just one.