What a Tuel

He drops back way too far. He makes silly decisions on 3rd downs, which he is praised for bc he doesn't do turnovers, but he doesn't do much of anything else either. That and the play design. Why are we starting McCoy 7 yards back for a 3rd and 2?

After the sack that took us back to 2nd and 25. Like how much harder is it to make a pass 15 years further back? How does that help you see? Step up into the pocket you nancy! It's funny how we received two PI calls that helped the Pats dramatically, but every time a Bills WR gets a ball thrown towards him, a Pats player is draped on him and no PI. Honestly the amount of power Kraft has in the NFL, I would not be surprised to find out 15 years from now that he pressured the League Office in NY. Just way too many nonsensical calls by Refs over the years that are consistently in Pats favor but more importantly inconsistent with calls around the rest of the NFL. I think other Owners are tired of it, and I think that's why you hear rumblings of other Owner's complaining to Goodell.

Odds are funny like that, and never go according to plan. Which is why they change from week to week because new information presents itself. Its not a lottery where there is a statistical probability.

Your original quote: "Our playoff lives just died with this ravens win! Charges will jump us win a win against the jets and our lose to the pats!" Still bad at math I guess. Bills playoff hopes didn't die with Baltimore win. Nor did they die with the Chargers win. Nor did they die with the Patriots win. You are very clearly wrong, since a Baltimore loss against Cinci is our best course in now.

But...you just made that number up. I say its a 99% chance we do.

Dude, you have absolutely no idea. It's kind of like we all highly doubt the Titans would compete with the Rams. Or the Chargers would only beat the Jets by 7. Or the Colts to compete to the end with the Ravens. I mean they are all division games. Its all up in the air. Be a fan and have some hope. (I know, I know, 18 years blah blah blah poor you)

We all may be waiting for that Chargers/Raiders 4 o clock game. Basically.

Most probable is Bengals beating the Ravens + Bills win. Every other combination we need 2 of 3 to lose (Ravens, Chargers, Titans) Edit: With a Ravens + Titans loss, we could even get the 5th seed.

You have no idea if the Jaguars lose today.

I do too. Way too many calls go their way. Rules changes just for them. It seems some owners are fed up with it which is why Goodell has been after them.

If the Steelers or Pats drop a game, aren't the Jags still in the running for the playoff bye week in week 17?

Down 7-10 at the start of the second half in a perfectly winnable game, Tyrod Taylor has 4 consecutive drives totaling 41 yards total. (3 Drives totaled 9 yards. 4th drive drive we fumbled) That was the difference that game. The Jets drove down the field. We went 3 and out. Yeah, I was going for more of a pre-benching argument, but you are right. Tyrod needs to step up in those games or he absolutely deserves benching.

Peterman gave us just as much chance to win the Chargers game as Tyrod gave us to win the Saints or Jets, and that was no chance. Tyrod Taylor was awful in the jets game until the last 5 minutes when it dawned on him we were getting annihilated and he started actually throwing the ball.

Tyrod was on a slide. He isn't the answer and we needed to know what we had in Peterman. Probably not the most opportune time to start Peterman, but that was because of the opponent, not because it didn't need to be done. Tyrod was just as awful as Peterman, in both the Jets, and Saints games.

Yeah assuming we lose it doesn't, but if we win, it should almost certainly be win and we are in Week 17. That opposed to losing tomorrow and come week 17 going "if the Jaguars beat the Titans, the Chargers lose to Raiders, and the Ravens lose to Bengals" we are in! On another note, if we are so certain the Titans are going to lose, I think we can root for the Chiefs to lose out against the Dolphins and Broncos and still get in. Unlikely, but still another chance.

I saw this topic, and thought why would they bench Rivers?!? That's awesome....then realized we are still agonizing over this stupid game. The way the team played, Tyrod was not winning it either. Get over it.

Even the Colts competed with the Ravens which no one thought was possible. Gotta have hope something will fall our way.

I'd say they are just a defeatist. As for your link, I know the scenarios, i was just pointing out that the article was so quick to kick us out of the 6th seed after week 16 even with a patriots win. The titans are in that situation not us. Of course week 17 changes everything but the article literally said "even with a bills win against the patriots, the bills are out "

Yes but the article seems to be referring to solely week 16. In the end of week 16 if all 3 teams win, titans would be odd man out. Baltimore would take 5th seed from titans and bills would retain 6th seed not lose it.

Bills get in at 8-8 if: Titans lose 2 (Everyone thinks this will happen) Chargers lose 1 (Everyone thinks this is somewhat possible bordering on unlikely) Ravens lose 2 (No one thinks this will happen) Edit: plus Dolphins lose to the Chiefs Even if the Chargers win one, the Bills get in on the 4 way 8-8 tie across 2 wildcards. http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine/_/factor/wins/results/400951748~1~400951739~2~400951791~2~400951596~2~400951642~2

Not true. The Titans would be the odd man out even if the Titans won against the Rams.

Its semantics. The titans have little hope to win their division. If the Titans winning their division were the condition needed for the Bills to make the playoffs, you would see a lot of talk of how we have no chance, and we aren't "mathematically" eliminated but we are definitely done. Yes, technically we don't control our own destiny.

We control our own destiny if any of the Jaguars win, Titans lose, Ravens lose. Pretty much the Titans have to win their division, which pits the Jaguars against us for the wildcard, and they kill us in tie breakers. Its an unlikely scenario.

That's tough. Is Rodgers the type to play til he's 40? He's 34 now, and plenty of QBs have been retiring earlier. We'd be giving up a potential rookie QB who might be the next Aaron Rodgers for 4-5 years of QB greatness at a high contract price. If we think we could build the team to win in those 4-5 years under those conditions then I'd say definitely. Give me a break. That's quite a boastful claim that we can argue all day long but let's just come back in 3 years and see how its going.

Garoppolo was literally traded for a 2nd round pick 2 months ago. Russel Wilson was drafted. 49ers weren't winless, but that's splitting hairs. So you are basing his increased value over 3 games against the Bears, Texans, and Titans? I'm not saying he can't be what you say, I'm saying its unlikely, and you may want to slow your roll on that until you have more evidence or consistent play. I mean your argument consists of "He played well last year for 2 games", and then the Patriots let him go for a 2nd round pick because why? No one bought that he was good? Then he plays "ok" (let's not kid ourselves on his play) on a bad team against bad teams, and his value jumps from a 2nd round pick to more than 2 1st rounders? That would be a huge gamble and baffling move by any team that should have been looking when the Patriots were offering him for a 2nd rounder. Again that is assuming that Garoppolo is what you say. Edit: Let me just add that I understand the 49ers won't let him go for any price right now. That has more to do with ego, and believing they are right on him than reality at this point though.