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You say this but then go on bring up an irrelevant scenario of bias if the situation were reversed? The video evidence proved the ball was not moving and he had control. No fumble should ever be overturned then because there is no way to know "for sure" the ball wasn't moving. There are countless scenarios of Refs overturning calls like this. Edit, here is a couple famous ones: Show me irrefutable evidence that Edelman did not touch the ball. Overturned: Show me irrefutable evidence that the ball moved out of Jesse James control? Overturned

No. Just no. The video evidence conclusively proved the ball was not moving and in fact affirmed that he had NOT lost possession. The idea that even though the video shows his hand around the ball and his elbow on the ground it doesn't "prove the ball wasn't moving" is absurd. It in and of itself is proof.

😂 I was just thinking this exact thing.

I don't know after hail Murray 6 straight wins of bigger and bigger point differentials was an exciting ride. Chargers +10 49ers +10 Steelers +11 Broncos +29 Patriots +29 Dolphins +30 Edit: Ha I just noticed we had our 3rd loss this time that year too and I remember how everyone was bitching about how bad the team was. "We didn't beat anyone of substance, just beating up our division, wahhhh" "we are barely winning any games. Rams, Dolphins, Raiders, Jets, Patriots, were all one score games! They could have gone either way, wahhhh!" "we were a bad dpi away from losing to the rams wahhhh" "the top two teams KC and Tennessee stomped us, wahhhh"

I know full well how it works, thanks. However the ball did not move before his knee hit the ground. One would think you'd need that to affirm that he lost possession. Not "we don't see the ball moving, so stick with the original call." No, the fact that they did not see the ball move is proof enough that the ball did not come out before his knee hit the ground. Remember they have the later frames too for when the ball DOES move.

Bills fans can be so soft. To equate 2 of those with 13 seconds, group them together into a montage of whining sarcasm is just soft. Last years loss was brutal. The Cardinals/Vikings losses were ***** happens.

It was a make up call for saying there was insufficient evidence to overturn the ruled fumble by singletary as we are looking at a photo of him holding the ball with his elbow down. What do you mean no way to tell? You could see his hand on the ball pressed against him and his elbow down. They literally pieced together 6 different angles showing this. What would be a sure way to tell?

I wonder if Eagles fans are making threads about their teams imminent collapse and the division at risk because they lost to an inferior division opponent. "Giants are only one game behind us now, we may have given up the division and 1st seed guys" Wait I forgot: "Don't forget the Cowboys are only 2 games behind and itching to come back into it!"

I wish I had all 22 so I could go back and look at where we all expect Singletary to run with this run blocking. Like he does what he can with what they give him but he in no way has the blocks and push that other teams give their rbs. Basically a brick wall of bodies every time he runs and sometimes he squeezes through.

The 1 score statistic you took from 1 season but refuse to acknowledge that even this season we are 2-3? Just stop spinning a narrative out of a stupid statistic generated from clearly anomaly year. 2018 - 3-3 2019 - 4-6 2020 - 6-1 2021 - 0-6 2022 - 2-3 Meanwhile 2 score games: 2018 - 3-7 2019 - 6-1 2020 - 9-3 2021 - 12-1 2022 - 4-0

I understand the situation. I was giving a hypothetical of running out of time after an alternate version of events. I am not saying he was forced to throw it in the endzone here.

And the most annoying part about it is they exist in every fan base so the majority are "proven" right each year the respective team doesn't win a super bowl. I use the words proven right loosely because I bet a certain subset of rams fans were doing the same thing to their forum when they got railroaded by the Titans, 49ers and Packers in a row around this time last year. 9Sun, Nov 7 vsTennessee L28-16 @San Francisco L31-10 11BYE WEEK @Green Bay L36-28

I am wondering if Allen had checked down and we ran out of time, how many posters would have been on here saying something is wrong with Allen he is just dumping it off. Captain Checkdown. He is afraid to take the shot. Freaken armchair critics. Was it a bad decision? Absolutely. But if he hit an open man in the endzone, not a single person would be questioning that he should have taken the checkdown. 20/20 hindsight kind of helps.

Yeah this was more of a case of the ball landing the perfect way (because of Lewis) for Jefferson than him making it happen.

I see the team winning the division and competing in the playoffs. From there who knows. The AFC East plays each other a whopping 7 times still this season. That is still 7 more losses to attribute. I absolutely do not think it is beyond the realm of possibility that we overcome the 2, and 3 pt deficits we had against the Jets and Dolphins despite the hopelessness of some people on here. Ah so we want to count prior years, but only the ones that suit our point. Gotcha. I also don't think your 2nd point is the slam against the Bills you think it is....

Why 11 games? 8-11 since 2020. What are we in >1 score games? Oh just 25-2 since 2020. Get a grip. Every team loses games every year since 1972.

The tie is not a win either. With a win you are a full game ahead of both the Fish and the Jets. The throw by Allen was bad for sure, but that doesn't change that going for a win is better than a tie.

Every team has tough losses. What team last year did not have a couple of them? All 4 of the below teams made the AFC/NFC Championship games, and half of them made the Super Bowl. I think the Bills fan base is demonstrating that we are soft and mentally weak with every loss. Does losing suck? Yes, but the natural tendancy to tear down the team, org, anyone associated after every loss is disturbing. KC? Lost 5 games: To recap that is: 1st seed Titans (Blowout) 3rd seed Bills (Blowout) 4th seed Bengals division rival Chargers Heart breaker loss to Ravens Cincinatti? Lost 7 games: To recap that is: 1st seed Packers Blown out by Chargers Heartbreaker loss to 49ers Bad Bears Bad Jets Blown out by division rival Browns Rams? Lost 5 games To recap that is: 1st seed Titans Blown out by 49ers 1st seed Packers (Blowout) Heartbreaker loss to 49ers Division loss to Cardinals 49ers? Lost 7 games: To recap that is: 1st seed Packers (Heartbreaker loss) Divisional opponent Seahawks Divisional opponent Cardinals Blowout by Colts Divisional opponent Cardinals Divisional Opponent Seahawks 1st seed Titans

I guarantee that a certain of sub set of posters would start threads that say "Should we replace McDermott? Statistics show he is probably 1 and done" or some dumb crap like that.

The team is not "in collapse". FFS. Tell me why you believe that? Did the Packers game tell you that? +10 Did the Rams game tell you that? +21 Did the Titans game tell you that +34 Did the Steelers game tell you that +35 You really do just spew dramatic negativity and at some point the mods should really get a hold of your consistent trolling the fans here.

I am not sure you understand his point when you double down and say this. His specific point was that both the Rams and Bucs had these moments mid season which would have been your "recent developments suggest they are unlikely to do it"

The push is not what caused the fumble though. So you are saying you knew what was coming but what you knew was coming didn't happen. It was a botched snap, not a defensive push.

It is truly amazing that people continue to critique the defense and look for Frasier's replacement when the defense made significant game winning stops. Yes they gave up 33 points. They were also out what, Hyde, Poyer, Elam, Rousseau, and I believe Edmunds for most of this game. The Bills org has built a very strong team that continues to compete despite getting hit by the injury bug. One only needs to look at the Ravens last year as a team that completely collapsed when hit with injuries.

I feel like that is a very skewed statistic. 1) Without Allen, and probably didn't belong in the playoffs, except by the graces of Cincinatti. 2) Allen's first playoff game 3) Legitimately beat by KC 4) Fluke loss to KC I am not sure I accept that sample as some basis of not being able to win on the road in the playoffs. Similarly, I don't think we are unbeatable at home because we are 3-0 at home in the playoffs 1) Beat the Colts 2) Beat the Ravens 3) Beat the Patriots

I should check back to to 12/12/21 and see if all of you were making this type of post after a loss to the pats and bucs consecutively and that was with just 4 games left in the season. There are 8 damn games left. You guys are so damn dramatic after a loss.