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Exactly my point - that the 'real' refs are just as bad as the replacement refs

If you saw anything other than an interception you may want to get your eyes checked. Its black and white, no argument. That being said, the replacement refs are no worse than the regular refs, who may have made the same call. There are thousands of terrible calls made by the real refs every year. People are just complaining about these calls so much more because they know its the replacement refs.

That was the 2nd worst call I have seen all season. The first was the ref throwing his hat on the field for no reason haha. But honestly, as a whole, I like the replacement refs better. 1) They let the WRs/DBs play more physical like they used to before all these BS rule changes and 2) The real refs are equally terrible. At least these refs have the excuse of being replacements as to why they suck so terribly. Seriously, you guys don't think the Pats have had 10 calls like that go their way over the past few seasons? There were more than a few - just totally awful awful calls - in that Ravens game when they went 16-0* Randy Moss caught half his touchdowns with the Pat*s by throwing the other teams DB to the ground before jumping up for the ball - and it wasn't called once. Yet every other receiver in the league was getting penalized for that and wasn't doing it. What about when the refs got the coin toss call wrong in overtime with Jerome Bettis and the Steelers? Stevie Johnsons catch that wasn't v the Bengals last year. And lets not even bring up the 'tuck' rule I also think people are more likely to criticize the calls because they know its the replacement refs. I have never heard complaints like this on TV or by players when the real refs are out there, even though the calls are just as bad.

Can anyone post a video? On my 52" HDTV with slow-mo replay I and the 5 other people watching it (3 non-bills fans) clearly saw the ball slip out of his hand as he attempted to throw it forward which resulted in an un-arguable incomplete forward pass.

Even if we lose to that patsies* we will still be tied with them record wise, and with Spiller and Jackson back we should have a great chance to split the series by winning the second meeting. I think that Jackson should start but maybe get half the load he usually would. Run him a few times, use Choice too, then start using Fred for a lot of play action passes, where his knee should be OK. I think Choice is adequate to carry the load and get production.

I personally think the real refs are just as bad as the replacement refs. They also need to fix replay - half the time they review it and still get the wrong call (like Fitz 'fumble' and Scotts INT that shouldn't have been in week one). Is it true that when they loof at the replay they can't zoom in or slow it down? I have heard that they have to watch it in real time? Thats retarded.

Solder sucks. He should have been flagged for holding 10 times on KELSAY in last years game, but alas there is never a holding penalty on the Pats OL.

The way he was holding it it looked like a seperated shoulder (not dislocated, they are different). I have seperated my right and left in the past, and depending on the seerity of them you could miss 8 weeks or go back in the game with a brace the way Locker did last week. There are three ligaments that hold the shoulder joint in place, and you can seperate 1, 2, or all 3. The way he landed it looked like he may have sperated the one which holds the shoulder joint out, ie keeping it from being pushed in toward the body, and maybe the one that holds it up to the collar bone too. Being a running back, they may be able to brace it up and lock his arm in place and he will be back sooner rather than later. But we probably wont be able to pass to him too much as he wont be able to lift his one hand above his head. Is Jackson really going to be back? That would be huge.

hahaha he removed the video ahaha. I wanted him to do a better version so I could hear the lyrics better lol

The NFL should just adopt the college rule of once a knee is down, you are down, regardless of being touched. That way a hit like this isnt needed. Under the current rules, it is needed, and you shouldn't be fined for it. He hit with the shoulder into the body and the only reason the guy got knocked out was bc his helmet slammed into the turf. This is another 100% BS fine from the NFL. Why would players learn to hit cleanly when they get fined for hits regardless? If the NFL wants to be stupid with their what is and isnt a catch ruling too, then players will try to hit guys to jar the ball out. If once a ball is caught, they say its caught and you dont have to maintain complete BS possession to the ground and blah blah blah, then there will be less of a reson to try and jar a ball loose when a guy catches it.

More like his phone number and a hotel room

Well if I'm the Jets I don't let that reporter back in the locker room. I dont care if Scott was out of line, I wouldn't risk a reported being the reason a player of mine is suspended.

Was how our boys, specifically the OL werent afraid to get chippy after the play! they stuck together and made it known they wouldn't take any sh*t from anyone. I think that speaks volume for team building! I also liked how Chan FINALLY stuck to the run! When Fitz throws its scary!

Look at where the ball was thrown from, and look at where it ends. Thats all the matters. When I do that, I see forward pass. If you look at the flight of the ball relative to the yard line, it appears to move backward, but it is an optical illusion caused by the ball getting closer to the ground as it crosses the feild.

Did we block a PAT or hold them to fields gols on two drive? 49-2 is more likely.

FWIW, I watch TV, including ESPN, and I didnt seen the comments Harrison made. I only read about them on this site. So unless Mario is a member, he likely hasnt read them either.

His first pick was picked because it was thrown late, not because the ball wasn't in the right place. Albeit he coulda gotten it there if he had an arm like Farve or Vick or Cutler, but his smarts is what lacked on that thrown, not arm strength or accuracy.

The Redskins gave up two 1st and a 2nd to move up 4 spots in the draft for RG3. Granted its been one game, but does anyone think they over paid? I don't expect them to 'wake up' tomorrow with a QB, I expect them to go out and get one. They have had over 10 years to get one and they should have gotten a very good one by now. The opportunities have been there. Period.

Because other teams get better and the Bills dont?

Again this isn't a hindsight thread, saying 'we shoulda drafted that guy!!!' We are discussing why the Bills havent made a number of moves that would have solidified the most important position in football.

Dude, skip the game and enjoy the beach! DVR it if you have to, but I'm sure you wont miss anything

I saw Lankster was out there for the Jets on Sunday. He was pretty solid for us before we cut him. I can't help but wonder why McKelvin is still on the team, no way he makes the Jets roster....but Lankster did.

I think you mis-read my post (which is understandable). I wasn’t saying the Bills should have drafted Cutler, I was saying that they could have traded for him when he left Denver for Chicago. At that point he had proved himself as a very good, ‘franchise’ QB (yet granted, he is not elite). And yes, they still didn’t trade for Cutler, but why? At that point, 99% of the fans could tell Edwards was trash. So then the Bills either A) didn’t try to improve the position or B) are that incompetent they still believed Edwards was the savior. I'm not sure which is worse, lack of effort or incompetence, but I would at least feel better about my team actively trying to get better, rather than passively hoping they get better.

For my entire fandom the Bills have lined up their DBs with 8 yard plus cushions. It doesn’t matter if its 3rd and 30 or 2nd and 1, there is always some DB with an 8yard cushion. This has been consistent across many different regimes and I just don’t get it.

Well if you believe you can't discuss the past without it being hindsight then that is your opinion. Other people rather can point to the past as evidence of a trend that is still current and relevent. Actually I picked those players because they were completely realistc options for us. Do you think Brees wanted to go to the completely devastated NOLA area - to a team that at the time was just as bad as the Bills? Vick would have went ANYWHERE and he had a great chance to start here. The other were trades/draft picks so its not like the players had any say.